I agree wholeheartedly Dave. If only!Originally Posted by David Manley
Rob.
I agree wholeheartedly Dave. If only!
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Dave, are you implying that there are models, they're just not affordable? Where would I find these? What's your favorite set of pre-dreadnought rules?
I am sure Dave has a lot of resources for ships and can comment on rules far better than I can; however, here are the models that I have been tempted by ever since I played a Manila Bay scenario onboard the USS Olympia:
http://www.wtj.com/wtj0144.html
They are 3d printed in a number of scales - $5.75 for a 1/2400 Olympia to give an idea of price.
They also have 2 set of rules one a fast play and one that is more detailed.
http://www.wtj.com/store/index_gaming_rules.html
They also have a pre-dreadnought painting guide on the site as well. I have been thinking doing Spanish-American war in 1/1500 scale ($10.75 for Olympia), but it is far down the project queue!
Eric
Looking out for pre dreds at Partizan at the weekend I found this one on the Old Glory stand.
Here is a comparison with the one I made earlier.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Not sure where I got the hull Dobbs. I had it for years in my spares box. I added two layers of plasticard to lengthen it and give it more draft. Then filed the top of the bow ram.
The boat deck was built with plasticard walls and top, as was the first tier of the flying bridge.
The aft control position much the same.
Main turrets were aluminium rod turned and parted off on the lathe. Gun barrels made from two diameters of brass tube one inserted into the other. Secondary guns from Navwar I believe.
The ventilators were from various bits and old ship parts.
Boats from Langtons. Funnels from the original kit.
Masts a combination of the bits box, turned parts and silver soldered steel wire for the cross trees.
The kit in the foreground is from Old Glory.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
There are many 1/1200 and 1/1250 scale models available from the various German model manufacturers but they tend to be (a) fragile - albeit lovely - and (b) very expensive.
Most of my pre-dread colection is in 1/3000 from Navwar, Skytrex and WTJ. Favourite set of rules? These :)
(the rules are also included in my Russo Japanese campaign pack)
Fr more detailed games, these.....
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...s-pre-dreadnou
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Did not Skytrex have a range of predreadnoughts ?
They did a load of 1860s and 1870s ships, mainly RN and French. I don't think they extended to predreads
I know a guy playing around with these, a whole Jutland collection he is half there . . .
Now that certainly is a whole lot of shipping Dave.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Thank you, gentlemen, for the kind words and Rep.
Last edited by Dobbs; 10-23-2018 at 10:58.
Okay, I have a weakness for dreadnaughts too. Very impressive, David!I know a guy playing around with these, a whole Jutland collection he is half there . . .
Am I right that those are all scratch builds? What's the average length of one of your dreadnaughts?
Demologos now has all her guns, but I'm trying to decide if the muzzles should be shorter. I'd be interested in any feedback. More pictures can be available.
This one shows the guns better.
They look fine to me. What an awesome build you have there. Excellent. I have trouble building things in 1/35 scale, I can't imagine doing stuff that size.
If you were picky you could shorten them a bit, but I am of the opinion of Lord Nelson. I'ts too late to be shifting a coat now Hardy.
It looks just the ticket to me Dobbs.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
They look a little long, but the question is if it's going to bother you. It's not a small job to cut them.
Both works are noted to have been elaborated with thoroughness. Therefore, congratulations to both of you.
Great scratch buildt model!
At long last, the Demologos is done!
Here, she appears with my American squadron.
A real beauty, Dobbs.
Firepower?
That is a real credit to your modelling skills Dobbs, Ready to take pride of place in any battle line.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
She mounted 30 32 pounders. She couldn't carry anything more because it would have changed her waterline and made the paddle wheel less efficient.A real beauty, Dobbs.
Firepower?
Very nicely done, sir! A beautiful ship indeed! Rep point!
I have this on good authority from The Drome.
200 years ago today 1814.
The Demologos, the first steam-powered warship, launched in New York City.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Now I just have to revise history so the War of 1812 extends to the summer of 1815 so she'll see some action. It should make things interesting on the Great Lakes too, with the 74's getting completed!
Be careful what you wish for Dobbs.
After June 1815 50% of the British navy will be freed up to sail for the good old US.of A.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Hang on, Napoleon! Hang on!
This one is independent from the wind, too.
Was there any kind of armor on the deck, or standart woodden planks?
Just completed another Pre Dreadnought. I will do a How to for those interested in the next few days.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Here is another shot of her Dave.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
That's lovely :)
There is something really rather lovely about the Victorian navy colour scheme. One of our warship assessment analysis codes at work allows you to set different colours to parts of a ships structure or external equipment, so for fun one lunchtime we colourised a Type 23 as it would be if it had been painted in the 1880s. it looked lovely! Alas it was on a restricted system so no chance to download an image, but I am tempted to try it out on a 1/1200 model sometime
Very imaginative Dave.
I would love to see that one sometime.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
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