USS Constitution versus HMS Sybille

[Nightmoss]

Since I've none around here to game with - and, of course, we're all hermits now - I only play solitaire. So I do it as much for the AAR as the game itself. Will eventually get to the campaigns once I get the standard rules down.

If you have the USS Bonhomme Richard I'd certainly enjoy seeing you battle against HMS Serapis (although I do not know which current SoG ship could substitute for Serapis?).

[Bligh]

If you have the USS Bonhomme Richard I'd certainly enjoy seeing you battle against HMS Serapis (although I do not know which current SoG ship could substitute for Serapis?).

This is something that DB posted in 2016 that mentions Serapis.

At this point, I'm starting to think we should treat Hull Boes and Burden as two sides of one integrated stat, so here's a holistic overview proposal with existing releases in bold. Note, I am recommending that Razees go higher Boxes/lower Burden and possibly take a Veer penalty too in light of their heavier structures and SOL underwater hulls.

Official/ Estimated	Boxes x Burden	Rate	Rating & Type	Ships/Clesses
Estimate	12x7	1	140 four-decker	Santissima Trinidad
Official	12x6	1	120	120 SGN106 Ocean 100-120 SGN108 First Rate 100 SGN201 First Rate 98 SGN201 as 1810 Boyne 98
Estimate	11x6	2	84-98	All non-1810 Boyne 90/98s Razee Royal William 84
Estimate	10x6	3	80 and Large 74
Official	10x5	3	Middling/Common 74s	74m SGN102 Temeraire 74m SGN112 Gautier 74 74c SGN104 Slade Common 74
Official & Estimate	10x4	3-4	64-70 SOL 50-60 cruisers and razees	Old 68-70s 64 SGN109 Artesien Old 60 mini-SOLs 58 razee-74 frigates 56 ex-EIM cruisers 50 SGN110 Portland
Official & Estimate	9x5	4	50-60 24# frigates	58 SGN202 Constitution 50-gun frigates
Estimate	10x3	5	44 cruisers 38 razee-64 frigates	Roebuck 44 (Serapis) Razee 64's (Indefatigable)
Official & Estimate	9x4	5	18-pdr 38-44 frigates	38-44 SGN105 Hebe family
Official & Estimate	9x3	5	18pdr 32-36 12pdr 36	SGN101 1777 Concorde up-gun
Official	9x2	5	12pdr 32	SGN103 1773 Amazon
Estimate	8x2	6	20-28 post ships/corvettes/ "bastard frigates"
Official	7x1	Unrated	14-18 sloops/ brigs/etc.	18 SGN107 MSS Thorn 14 SGN107 Swan
Estimate	6x1	Unrated	anything below 14 guns

[Nightmoss]

This is something that DB posted in 2016 that mentions Serapis.

At this point, I'm starting to think we should treat Hull Boes and Burden as two sides of one integrated stat, so here's a holistic overview proposal with existing releases in bold. Note, I am recommending that Razees go higher Boxes/lower Burden and possibly take a Veer penalty too in light of their heavier structures and SOL underwater hulls.

Official/ Estimated	Boxes x Burden	Rate	Rating & Type	Ships/Clesses
Estimate	12x7	1	140 four-decker	Santissima Trinidad
Official	12x6	1	120	120 SGN106 Ocean 100-120 SGN108 First Rate 100 SGN201 First Rate 98 SGN201 as 1810 Boyne 98
Estimate	11x6	2	84-98	All non-1810 Boyne 90/98s Razee Royal William 84
Estimate	10x6	3	80 and Large 74
Official	10x5	3	Middling/Common 74s	74m SGN102 Temeraire 74m SGN112 Gautier 74 74c SGN104 Slade Common 74
Official & Estimate	10x4	3-4	64-70 SOL 50-60 cruisers and razees	Old 68-70s 64 SGN109 Artesien Old 60 mini-SOLs 58 razee-74 frigates 56 ex-EIM cruisers 50 SGN110 Portland
Official & Estimate	9x5	4	50-60 24# frigates	58 SGN202 Constitution 50-gun frigates
Estimate	10x3	5	44 cruisers 38 razee-64 frigates	Roebuck 44 (Serapis) Razee 64's (Indefatigable)
Official & Estimate	9x4	5	18-pdr 38-44 frigates	38-44 SGN105 Hebe family
Official & Estimate	9x3	5	18pdr 32-36 12pdr 36	SGN101 1777 Concorde up-gun
Official	9x2	5	12pdr 32	SGN103 1773 Amazon
Estimate	8x2	6	20-28 post ships/corvettes/ "bastard frigates"
Official	7x1	Unrated	14-18 sloops/ brigs/etc.	18 SGN107 MSS Thorn 14 SGN107 Swan
Estimate	6x1	Unrated	anything below 14 guns

Thanks Rob. DB's usual attention to detail for sure.

[ShadowDragon]

If you have the USS Bonhomme Richard I'd certainly enjoy seeing you battle against HMS Serapis (although I do not know which current SoG ship could substitute for Serapis?).

I do have the USS Bonhomme Richard and will likely do a game using the standard rules - once I've read through them and understand them. I'm also intending to do some Great Lakes inspired scenarios (i.e., not exactly a replay of battles). I have bought one of every SoG ship except the original Starter kit as that's not available. Yes, I went all in and just ahead of the virus too.