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    Thanks, everyone, for your kind feed back. I will have a look at that AAR, Jim.

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    I just had a look back at it, and am glad to say that a few new shipmates are doing what I hoped for when I posted this there. "I wish a few more members would emulate you in displaying their games."
    Well done to you. Please keep them coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    I just had a look back at it, and am glad to say that a few new shipmates are doing what I hoped for when I posted this there. "I wish a few more members would emulate you in displaying their games."
    Well done to you. Please keep them coming.
    Rob.
    Since I've none around here to game with - and, of course, we're all hermits now - I only play solitaire. So I do it as much for the AAR as the game itself. Will eventually get to the campaigns once I get the standard rules down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowDragon View Post
    Since I've none around here to game with - and, of course, we're all hermits now - I only play solitaire. So I do it as much for the AAR as the game itself. Will eventually get to the campaigns once I get the standard rules down.
    This really makes me wish we had a Play-by-Post system or a suitable app... that was one good thing about Axis & Allies hexes, it was easy to do forum PbP.
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    For the first time ever I am in a position to play by E-Mail DB as I now have a dedicated games table that can be left set up for as long as it takes.

    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    For the first time ever I am in a position to play by E-Mail DB as I now have a dedicated games table that can be left set up for as long as it takes.

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    Rob, didn't Eric try playing SoG via email way back towards the beginning of the games release? I might be wrong in recalling this, but I did find an ancient thread where email options for Sails of Glory were discussed. Tabletop Simulator and Vassal are two options that are mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    Rob, didn't Eric try playing SoG via email way back towards the beginning of the games release? I might be wrong in recalling this, but I did find an ancient thread where email options for Sails of Glory were discussed. Tabletop Simulator and Vassal are two options that are mentioned.

    https://www.sailsofglory.org/showthr...ghlight=vassal
    Not sure Jim.
    Although I was a founding member, I did not do anything on here for the first couple of years, until I had time off from the Drome.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    For the first time ever I am in a position to play by E-Mail DB as I now have a dedicated games table that can be left set up for as long as it takes.

    Rob.
    It occurs to me that two or more players playing against an AI would work through email or even through posting here move by move. All players being on the same side, no one would have anything to hide. Of course, the person truly present would have some work cut out for them, but what else is there to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    It occurs to me that two or more players playing against an AI would work through email or even through posting here move by move. All players being on the same side, no one would have anything to hide. Of course, the person truly present would have some work cut out for them, but what else is there to do?
    It's do-able. Would each player need to have a parallel table set-up with a master table?

    I do like the Wings of Glory WWI campaign with a scenario posted at the start of each month and everyone involved posts their AAR that month. It's not interactive but it's fun to see the results of everyone for the same mission.

    FYI - I'm ready to test the standard rules with the Dobbs modified side slips. It will be USS Thorn versus HMS Swan - sort of based on the USS Wasp versus HMS Reindeer.

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    I often play AI for Captain Kiwi when he does solo. I can then tutor him in all manner of aspects of the game.
    I should have been doing the same for Captain Smithers on Saturday but the lockdown meant that he could not come over.
    must try and get a game with Speedwell Lass. Family members in the same house are not isolated as yet.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowDragon View Post
    Since I've none around here to game with - and, of course, we're all hermits now - I only play solitaire. So I do it as much for the AAR as the game itself. Will eventually get to the campaigns once I get the standard rules down.
    The AAR's are the part I like doing the most and reading, especially if the poster starts to develope some of the characters. I am hoping to personalize some of my Captains and crew this coming year.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowDragon View Post
    Since I've none around here to game with - and, of course, we're all hermits now - I only play solitaire. So I do it as much for the AAR as the game itself. Will eventually get to the campaigns once I get the standard rules down.
    If you have the USS Bonhomme Richard I'd certainly enjoy seeing you battle against HMS Serapis (although I do not know which current SoG ship could substitute for Serapis?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    If you have the USS Bonhomme Richard I'd certainly enjoy seeing you battle against HMS Serapis (although I do not know which current SoG ship could substitute for Serapis?).
    This is something that DB posted in 2016 that mentions Serapis.

    At this point, I'm starting to think we should treat Hull Boes and Burden as two sides of one integrated stat, so here's a holistic overview proposal with existing releases in bold. Note, I am recommending that Razees go higher Boxes/lower Burden and possibly take a Veer penalty too in light of their heavier structures and SOL underwater hulls.
    Official/
    Estimated
    Boxes x
    Burden
    Rate Rating & Type Ships/Clesses
    Estimate 12x7 1 140 four-decker Santissima Trinidad
    Official 12x6 1 120 120 SGN106 Ocean
    100-120 SGN108 First Rate
    100 SGN201 First Rate

    98 SGN201 as 1810 Boyne 98
    Estimate 11x6 2 84-98 All non-1810 Boyne 90/98s
    Razee Royal William 84
    Estimate 10x6 3 80 and Large 74
    Official 10x5 3 Middling/Common 74s 74m SGN102 Temeraire
    74m SGN112 Gautier 74
    74c SGN104 Slade Common 74
    Official &
    Estimate
    10x4 3-4 64-70 SOL
    50-60 cruisers and razees
    Old 68-70s
    64 SGN109 Artesien
    Old 60 mini-SOLs
    58 razee-74 frigates
    56 ex-EIM cruisers
    50 SGN110 Portland
    Official &
    Estimate
    9x5 4 50-60 24# frigates 58 SGN202 Constitution
    50-gun frigates
    Estimate 10x3 5 44 cruisers
    38 razee-64 frigates
    Roebuck 44 (Serapis)
    Razee 64's (Indefatigable)
    Official &
    Estimate
    9x4 5 18-pdr 38-44 frigates 38-44 SGN105 Hebe family
    Official &
    Estimate
    9x3 5 18pdr 32-36
    12pdr 36
    SGN101 1777 Concorde up-gun
    Official 9x2 5 12pdr 32 SGN103 1773 Amazon
    Estimate 8x2 6 20-28 post ships/corvettes/
    "bastard frigates"
    Official 7x1 Unrated 14-18 sloops/
    brigs/etc.
    18 SGN107 MSS Thorn
    14 SGN107 Swan
    Estimate 6x1 Unrated anything below 14 guns
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    This is something that DB posted in 2016 that mentions Serapis.

    At this point, I'm starting to think we should treat Hull Boes and Burden as two sides of one integrated stat, so here's a holistic overview proposal with existing releases in bold. Note, I am recommending that Razees go higher Boxes/lower Burden and possibly take a Veer penalty too in light of their heavier structures and SOL underwater hulls.
    Official/
    Estimated
    Boxes x
    Burden
    Rate Rating & Type Ships/Clesses
    Estimate 12x7 1 140 four-decker Santissima Trinidad
    Official 12x6 1 120 120 SGN106 Ocean
    100-120 SGN108 First Rate
    100 SGN201 First Rate

    98 SGN201 as 1810 Boyne 98
    Estimate 11x6 2 84-98 All non-1810 Boyne 90/98s
    Razee Royal William 84
    Estimate 10x6 3 80 and Large 74
    Official 10x5 3 Middling/Common 74s 74m SGN102 Temeraire
    74m SGN112 Gautier 74
    74c SGN104 Slade Common 74
    Official &
    Estimate
    10x4 3-4 64-70 SOL
    50-60 cruisers and razees
    Old 68-70s
    64 SGN109 Artesien
    Old 60 mini-SOLs
    58 razee-74 frigates
    56 ex-EIM cruisers
    50 SGN110 Portland
    Official &
    Estimate
    9x5 4 50-60 24# frigates 58 SGN202 Constitution
    50-gun frigates
    Estimate 10x3 5 44 cruisers
    38 razee-64 frigates
    Roebuck 44 (Serapis)
    Razee 64's (Indefatigable)
    Official &
    Estimate
    9x4 5 18-pdr 38-44 frigates 38-44 SGN105 Hebe family
    Official &
    Estimate
    9x3 5 18pdr 32-36
    12pdr 36
    SGN101 1777 Concorde up-gun
    Official 9x2 5 12pdr 32 SGN103 1773 Amazon
    Estimate 8x2 6 20-28 post ships/corvettes/
    "bastard frigates"
    Official 7x1 Unrated 14-18 sloops/
    brigs/etc.
    18 SGN107 MSS Thorn
    14 SGN107 Swan
    Estimate 6x1 Unrated anything below 14 guns
    Thanks Rob. DB's usual attention to detail for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    If you have the USS Bonhomme Richard I'd certainly enjoy seeing you battle against HMS Serapis (although I do not know which current SoG ship could substitute for Serapis?).
    I do have the USS Bonhomme Richard and will likely do a game using the standard rules - once I've read through them and understand them. I'm also intending to do some Great Lakes inspired scenarios (i.e., not exactly a replay of battles). I have bought one of every SoG ship except the original Starter kit as that's not available. Yes, I went all in and just ahead of the virus too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowDragon View Post
    Thanks, everyone, for your kind feed back. I will have a look at that AAR, Jim.
    Thank you for the rep, Paul.
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