American Frigates

[Diamondback]

So, found some options to add American unrateds--these are my preliminary thoughts for two composite sculpts.

Brigs:~240-300t Argus/Syren/?Rattlesnake (all three UK reflag), Spark (similar size) - two SKU's for the American ships, one UK reflags
Chippewa/Boxer/Saranac are similar to one another but 360-390t; not appreciably larger in length/beam than the smaller trio
Schooners: Enterprise, Experiment, Syren, Nautilus, Torch (similar but not identical), Spitfire (ditto) -- Enterprise/Syren/Nautilus rerigged as brigs, Syren and Nautilus captured by UK (Siren not commissioned, Nautilus->HMS Emulous)

This group of schooners has several possible packs--three US flag schooner-rig and one brig-rig, leaving loose ends of the third rerig and Emulous.

[DeRuyter]

So, found some options to add American unrateds--these are my preliminary thoughts for two composite sculpts.

Brigs:~240-300t Argus/Syren/?Rattlesnake (all three UK reflag), Spark (similar size) - two SKU's for the American ships, one UK reflags
Chippewa/Boxer/Saranac are similar to one another but 360-390t; not appreciably larger in length/beam than the smaller trio
Schooners: Enterprise, Experiment, Syren, Nautilus, Torch (similar but not identical), Spitfire (ditto) -- Enterprise/Syren/Nautilus rerigged as brigs, Syren and Nautilus captured by UK (Siren not commissioned, Nautilus->HMS Emulous)

This group of schooners has several possible packs--three US flag schooner-rig and one brig-rig, leaving loose ends of the third rerig and Emulous.

I was looking here and on the 1812 thread but could not find any lake ships. Niagara/Lawrence would of course be iconic. Do they not make the size cut, I thought they were larger than the Cruzier class brigs? There are larger ships from the lakes that might work in the US scheme like Saratoga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Saratoga_(1814) or General Pike

[Diamondback]

I was looking here and on the 1812 thread but could not find any lake ships. Niagara/Lawrence would of course be iconic. Do they not make the size cut, I thought they were larger than the Cruzier class brigs? There are larger ships from the lakes that might work in the US scheme like Saratoga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Saratoga_(1814) or General Pike

The problem is, Lakers generally had no path to open ocean so pretty much their only viable opponents are each other. It's not an opposition or hostility to them--hell, I'd propose to give them an entire parallel line with its own Starter box akin to the coming pirate spinoff--just that the open-ocean fights are higher priority and offer more game possibilities. There *were* several Lakers based on the Cruizer design and brig-rig versions of the Peacock-group hull, so those sculpts could be leveraged too. That and the nightmare of one-offs that Eckford and company cranked out at Presque Isle...

We're not just up against a size floor, but a population floor too. I've made an informal proposal suggesting that Ares partner with Henry Turner on Wargaming3d where they develop stat packages and he the models for ships too small or "too close to existing sculpt" to ever join the official catalog.