I have now returned to a much neglected project. Well over two years ago Clipper cast me the Santissima Trinidad. I am at long last returning to complete it as a break, before taking on any more Xebecs.
Rob.
What's on Your Workbench for August 2020?
I have now returned to a much neglected project. Well over two years ago Clipper cast me the Santissima Trinidad. I am at long last returning to complete it as a break, before taking on any more Xebecs.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Painted the undercoat last evening.
Now comes the paint matching stage.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Red paint done, and peg added.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
The red looks good. I'm looking forward to seeing this one completed. I like the paint job.
Was red a common color for ships?
Commerce de Marseille and Bonhomme Richard are the only other two I have come across, but paint jobs did change from year to year so it is hard to say with any certainty. Even paintings of the Trinidad vary. Some show it as depicted by my ship will be when finished. Some have a blue decorated stern, and some show it all gilded. The black strip I am giving mine often has a white border in several depictions. If any other shipmates have examples of reddish ships please feel free to chip in here.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
I think I read that the French liked red ships. I followed Jonas' and Chris' examples and painted on of my French 74's red to good effect.
I've seen paintings of frigates and 3rd rates being red? Cerberus, Surprise and also San Nicolas.
Link: https://www.todoababor.es/historia/p...o-san-nicolas/
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
Thanks for finding those pictures Jim. The red looks very stunning on these ships.
Great stuff lads. Keep them coming.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Abducting and fitting sails.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Sails painted and fitted temp befor finishing the deck painting and adding the stripes.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
That's coming along great Rob!
I decided that I wanted another brig but had no more Hebe spankers to sacrifice. I'm trying my hand at building one from sheet styrene and rod. It won't have the reefing lines of my other brigs, but maybe it won't stand out?
Last edited by Dobbs; 08-06-2020 at 06:40.
Suggestion, maybe next time you have to scrap an Ares ship use its parts as masters to cast molds in RTV rubber? Then you can just cast more resin mast/jib/etc components as needed...Originally Posted by Dobbs
I decided that I wanted another brig but had no more Hebe spankers to sacrifice. I'm trying my hand at building one from sheet styrene and rod. It won't have the reefing lines of my other brigs, but maybe it won't stand out?
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I've thought of that, DB. I even have the mold making materials, but I haven't tried it. I'm not sure how one would make a mold of something so flat as a sail, but I guess Ares knows!
The brig's new fore and aft mainsail.
A dry fit of the mainmast.
My finger is still in the way a bit but I have been able to work on ships again. USS Constellation is my current project. The modifications include installing rigging tie-off rails at the base of each mast, quarter boat davits, cut away the plastic spars and replaced with steel rod at the proper angle for a quarter wind, extended the fighting tops, topgallant mast platforms, and finally a custom dolphin striker.
Sails go on next
Looking good! That is one of the Black Seas ships right? The larger scale really brings out the details.
For reefing lines you could just glue sewing button hole thread to the sail Dobbs. It is a bit thicker than ordinary sewing thread which tends to vanish in the glue and paint.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Looking fine Vol. Good enough for a display model. I await the sails going on with interest.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Got my black stripes done now.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Yes Alex, this is my third Black Seas ship from the US Squadron pack. After this there is one more 38 gun frigate, two 44 gun super frigates, and five more brigs to go. However, I will most likely cut up the brigs to make coversions to corvettes and cutters.
Now painted and sails rigged, but I am not happy with the flag. I will change it for this one today.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Amazing work Rob! I love that red paint job! The flag looks great to me!
Hi Bryan.
Frstly thanks for the Rep. i have removed offending flag and printed a new replacement. Just a matter of a flagstaff and a bit of glue to complere a job that has been on the stocks about as long as it took to build the actual ship.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
I got the sails on today
You have certainly done her proud Vol. What paint and method do you use to get that effect on your sails?
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Here is my Trinidad now on her first cruise, replete with improved flags, and stern windows to the directions given by Gary (McDorf) I still owe him for the paints!
Next project for August will be a Sloop on fire.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Very nice Rob! And the flag is a definite improvement
Thanks Rob. Well the Warlord supplied sails are too heavy card stock. When wetted with PVA and water in order to shape properly and lock in that shape, the ink runs and the layers separate. So the first two ships I printed colour copies on plain printer paper. This made them thinner and the ink didn't run. This time a made the sails and tried to duplicate the stain patterns on the supplied sails, but not as dark. I started out painting them with a one to one water PVA mix, then shaping them over varying cylindrical objects. When nearly dry, I place them curve sode up on a soft folded cloth. I take a pencil rounded eraser and push it into the lower edges of the sails for additional shaping. They are painted with Antique White. Then I lightly brush Linen in vertical strokes along the bottom edge with longer strokes against the outer edges. Lastly I go over this with a lighter layer of Country Twill. Using a tan colour pencil I draw in the reefs. The bunt & clew lines are thread added after the sails are mounted. All sails are tied onto the spars. The only glue used is a touch at the knots.
Very erudite explanation there Vol. I have shied away from playing about with Ares sails, but even I might now be able to give them a bash.
Thanks for the info.
Rob.
Last edited by Bligh; 08-09-2020 at 13:43.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Haha! Aries sails are a whole different beast. Very tedious business to cut away the ugly bits without damaging the sails!
I have only done that once, and that was for a conversion. I was not totally satisfied with the result. It certainly weakened the masts and took almost as long to complete as the rest of the conversion. For bashing about with kids at shows, not a modification that I would recommend.
Rob.
Last edited by Bligh; 08-10-2020 at 03:57.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Oh I always have replaced the masts with steel rod so they are much stronger than the originals. They won't snap off at the deck like the originals.
As you may have seen Vol, subsequent to that experiment I have now taken to using steel masts with the cross trees silver soldered on. They will take any amount of hammer and also allow a very strong bond with the sails without any flexing.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Here is my ship card for the Trinidad.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
And here is my Ship mat.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Also the base card.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Haha, well soldering is a bit more than I want to try. With my luck I would just be burning myself all of the time. I just tie them on and glue. Allows a bit of flex and the rigging holds them in place.
Here is one I did earlier and then the finished article.
See no hands needed, so non to get burnt.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Here's my attempt to make the hull distinctive. I've decided to keep the mainsail simple. If it bugs me, I can always get another Hebe and explore making molds.
I finished the Constellation tonight
It certainly gives a fresh look to the ship Dobbs.
If you decide to make sail moulds it will be interesting to follow your methods.
My recourse to cutting them out of plasticard and then shaping them one at a time is a very slow process compared to batch production from a mould.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Yesterday I started work on producing my Sloop on fire model, and hit an immediate snag. The deck of the Sloop is not as deep as a ship of the line and the battery would thus protrude above the main-deck. Also the stem of the earring would put the light up in the rigging.
I solved the first problem by moving the seat of the fire to the Quarter deck where it would just come up flush with the deck when drilled in.
The length of the stem was another matter. To make the circuit a small amount of the copper inner had to be showing below the stainless steel outer sleeve. I could not, therefore, just cut down the stem. Eventually I managed to grip the earring in my vice an by filing the stainless as I rotated the earring with my other hand. I filed away the stainless until I could just see a hint of the copper all round the cut and the pulled the outer off it with a pair of pliers.
Job done.
Rob.
Before and after.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Great work with the Santissima, Rob!
Thanks Sven. It has been a long time coming off the slipway.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Just spotted the Rep also my dear Comte. Thank you also for that.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
The next job on the ship on fire was to open up ahole the size of the Led holder. To do this I first used a 1mm drill as a pilot and then opened up the hole to 4mm.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
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