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    The Spanish ships have very high fire power ratings without any real explanation. I wouldn't use a battle against them as a measure.

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    Maybe we should see enlightenment from Andrea upon this subject Jonas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    The Spanish ships have very high fire power ratings without any real explanation. I wouldn't use a battle against them as a measure.
    Thankfully I didn't have the Spaniards using carronades, only the English.
    I was still stunned by the firepower of an initial broadside from a 1st rate though. It's the first time I've had one on the table and they're devastating (as they should be).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Maybe we should see enlightenment from Andrea upon this subject Jonas!
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    I was always under the impression (perhaps incorrectly) that Spanish ships were better in gunnery, or simply had a higher weight of metal than their French or English counterparts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewG73 View Post
    Thankfully I didn't have the Spaniards using carronades, only the English.
    I was still stunned by the firepower of an initial broadside from a 1st rate though. It's the first time I've had one on the table and they're devastating (as they should be).
    Only the British had true Carronades Andrew. The Obusier I believe that was what the French called it was admitted to be a poor replica even by them and did not figure largely in French or Spanish ships.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    I agree Rob. I was just making sure that Jonas understood that I didn't have both English and Spanish using carronades seeing as he mentioned it being not necessarily an appropriate comparison.

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    Right Andy.
    With the Spanish overgunned. I think it very good employment to play your Carronades upon them.
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    The Spanish first rates stats are over gunned compared to British and French first rates regardless if you compare broadside weight or number of guns, even if compensating for most effective caliber. When talking of effective gunnery the British almost always came out on top, both in precision and reloading speed. There's simply no explanation I know of.

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    Undersized ships with big ideas then Jonas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    The Spanish first rates stats are over gunned compared to British and French first rates regardless if you compare broadside weight or number of guns, even if compensating for most effective caliber. When talking of effective gunnery the British almost always came out on top, both in precision and reloading speed. There's simply no explanation I know of.
    Gunnery skill shouldn't work into the ship's stats. That's what the poor gunnery adjustments is for in the rules.

    I just noticed last evening that the Spanish 1st rates have THE worst sailing angles out of all of the 1st rates. The French are comparable to the British and French 74's, and the British 1sts are in-between.

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    Thats right, there was a definite drive during playtesting to base ship stats on the ship itself and to not factor crew quality in at all. And i agree, some of the later statting does seem a bit "random"

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    Maybe for the Spanish ships a mandatory Gunners Lacking training so they take two turns to load, or a house rule that they take two turns to load a full broadside but standard one turn to load a front or rear battery, this will cut down the effectiveness and add a little authenticity?

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    I think that the gunners lacking training is a good idea Chris. Keeps things within the realms of the rules.
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    Yes it would help, but that first devastating broadside still will make any Nelson heroics with 74s near impossible.

    I only mentioned gunner skill as it had been mentioned and it wouldn't work as an explanation either.

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    The only other thing is to doctor the ship mats then.
    I am getting better at this with a bit of cut and paste.

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    Reinforced Brig Sloop to take 16 32 lbr Carronades.

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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    Yes it would help, but that first devastating broadside still will make any Nelson heroics with 74s near impossible.

    I only mentioned gunner skill as it had been mentioned and it wouldn't work as an explanation either.
    So we dont give them the first fire bonus and no double shot until first broadside fired , or Spanish and possibly French ships must fire first broadside at rigging, as they did historically I believe.
    But these will be house rules

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    All sounds good to me Chris. Whatever floats/ sinks your boat.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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