What Do You Intend to Buy?

[David Manley]

While we're talking about War of 1812, how much alike in appearance were the Lively and Leda class 38-gun frigates?

Easily close enough. Ledas were 4' shorter, outward appearance very similar. My Langton generic British 38 has doubled for Macedonian, Shannon and others many times.

[Coog]

Easily close enough. Ledas were 4' shorter, outward appearance very similar. My Langton generic British 38 has doubled for Macedonian, Shannon and others many times.

I was thinking of what ships Ares could use for the War of 1812. For the British 38-gun frigates would be a must. If they could merge classes, notable 38's such as Shannon and Macedonian could be produced. A U.S. flagged Macedonian could be produced, as well as the British, if Ares wanted something different. Unfortunately Java and Guerriere were French built.

With the 44 already being produced, the U.S. 38's would be logical. There would be no problem with Congress and Constellation but Chesapeake was a bit smaller being 12 feet shorter and 22 tons lighter. However at 1/1000 scale the size difference might not be that significant so that a third variant could be produced.

A British sloop would be appropriate and the Cruizer class brig-sloop would be most appropriate with a large number of names to chose from.

A U.S. sloop would need to be done with the early Wasp and Hornet being the choice. A British flagged Wasp could be produced to give three versions. While the early U.S. sloops had an advantage over the British brigs, the large 1813 ship-sloops would be way too powerful against the brigs.

Two special production ships could also be done. Essex comes to mind with cards for the 32-pounder carronade laden version and the earlier 12-pounder frigate. Endymion would be an excellent choice to offset the U.S. 44's.

[DeRuyter]

I was thinking of what ships Ares could use for the War of 1812. For the British 38-gun frigates would be a must. If they could merge classes, notable 38's such as Shannon and Macedonian could be produced. A U.S. flagged Macedonian could be produced, as well as the British, if Ares wanted something different. Unfortunately Java and Guerriere were French built.

With the 44 already being produced, the U.S. 38's would be logical. There would be no problem with Congress and Constellation but Chesapeake was a bit smaller being 12 feet shorter and 22 tons lighter. However at 1/1000 scale the size difference might not be that significant so that a third variant could be produced.

A British sloop would be appropriate and the Cruizer class brig-sloop would be most appropriate with a large number of names to chose from.

A U.S. sloop would need to be done with the early Wasp and Hornet being the choice. A British flagged Wasp could be produced to give three versions. While the early U.S. sloops had an advantage over the British brigs, the large 1813 ship-sloops would be way too powerful against the brigs.

Two special production ships could also be done. Essex comes to mind with cards for the 32-pounder carronade laden version and the earlier 12-pounder frigate. Endymion would be an excellent choice to offset the U.S. 44's.

I think it is the smaller brigs and ship-sloops that will be a long way off, if they produce them at all. I think the more numerous frigate classes will be done, French 40s, British 38s, which as David noted can be doubled as US frigates, and maybe 28s (Surprise!).

Eric

[David Manley]

I think it is the smaller brigs and ship-sloops that will be a long way off, if they produce them at all. I think the more numerous frigate classes will be done, French 40s, British 38s, which as David noted can be doubled as US frigates, and maybe 28s (Surprise!).

Eric

IIRC There are brigs coming in a future wave

[David Manley]

I was thinking of what ships Ares could use for the War of 1812. For the British 38-gun frigates would be a must. If they could merge classes, notable 38's such as Shannon and Macedonian could be produced. A U.S. flagged Macedonian could be produced, as well as the British, if Ares wanted something different. Unfortunately Java and Guerriere were French built.

With the 44 already being produced, the U.S. 38's would be logical. There would be no problem with Congress and Constellation but Chesapeake was a bit smaller being 12 feet shorter and 22 tons lighter. However at 1/1000 scale the size difference might not be that significant so that a third variant could be produced.

A British sloop would be appropriate and the Cruizer class brig-sloop would be most appropriate with a large number of names to chose from.

A U.S. sloop would need to be done with the early Wasp and Hornet being the choice. A British flagged Wasp could be produced to give three versions. While the early U.S. sloops had an advantage over the British brigs, the large 1813 ship-sloops would be way too powerful against the brigs.

Two special production ships could also be done. Essex comes to mind with cards for the 32-pounder carronade laden version and the earlier 12-pounder frigate. Endymion would be an excellent choice to offset the U.S. 44's.

Still think if they had gone down this route and done it in time for 2012 they would've cleaned up.

[csadn]

Two special production ships could also be done. Essex comes to mind with cards for the 32-pounder carronade laden version and the earlier 12-pounder frigate. Endymion would be an excellent choice to offset the U.S. 44's.

A thought re _Essex_: On one side, the mostly-carronade version everyone's familiar with; on the other, the gun loadout it was originally built with (26 long-12s on the main deck; 16 carronade-24s on the spar deck). From what I've read, the rearming not only crippled its long-range-fighting ability, it also bollocked the sailing qualities.

Myself: I want to see a "Great Lakes War" expansion, with the ship sets for Put-In Bay and Lake Champlain (I know this isn't technically a G.L., but it's close enough :) ).

_Endymion_ would have to be produced in a 3-pack.... ;)

[Coog]

Myself: I want to see a "Great Lakes War" expansion, with the ship sets for Put-In Bay and Lake Champlain (I know this isn't technically a G.L., but it's close enough :) ).

I think one of the problems with producing ships for either war on the Great Lakes would be that there was no uniformity in ship sizes and construction. Almost every ship was unique.

[Amara]

I think one of the problems with producing ships for either war on the Great Lakes would be that there was no uniformity in ship sizes and construction. Almost every ship was unique.

The other problem is that an Age of Sail rule set can be good at fighting Trafalgar, or good at fighting Lake Erie, but not both. You need more detail to do 1812 right, but you need faster play per ship to be able to do 25-30 of the line per side without hopelessly bogging down.

[Diamondback]

Rewinding a bit...

I was thinking of what ships Ares could use for the War of 1812. For the British 38-gun frigates would be a must. If they could merge classes, notable 38's such as Shannon and Macedonian could be produced. A U.S. flagged Macedonian could be produced, as well as the British, if Ares wanted something different. Unfortunately Java and Guerriere were French built.

Java was also a Hebe derivative just like the Ledas, and Guerriere is a very close match on dimensions despite being a one-off. I'm somewhat reluctant to commit to it without a draught, but for now I've penciled Guerriere in alongside Macedonian and Shannon as SGN105 reprints. Irony is the same design family making up the backbone of the frigate forces for both sides in the Napoleonic Wars...

With the 44 already being produced, the U.S. 38's would be logical. There would be no problem with Congress and Constellation but Chesapeake was a bit smaller being 12 feet shorter and 22 tons lighter. However at 1/1000 scale the size difference might not be that significant so that a third variant could be produced.

12' ~=3mm in scale. My penciled-out group for the 38s was Congress/Chesapeake, Constellation/Philadelphia and a blank-back HMS Chesapeake for the third.

A British sloop would be appropriate and the Cruizer class brig-sloop would be most appropriate with a large number of names to chose from.

A U.S. sloop would need to be done with the early Wasp and Hornet being the choice. A British flagged Wasp could be produced to give three versions. While the early U.S. sloops had an advantage over the British brigs, the large 1813 ship-sloops would be way too powerful against the brigs.

Rub is, as with the entire line, coming up with enough ship names to make three double-sided SKU's on the latter... unless we can get Ares to get over their obsession with it. Both Cruizer and the later Peacock group had relatives on the Great Lakes and had relatives in both ship and brig rigs, so I would tool these two hull sculpts with sockets for both--see my "Brainstorming the War of 1812" thread.