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  1. 06-18-2023, 20:39 #1
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    68-74-GUN (nom 70) MEDIUM TWO-DECKER SOL's
    Gaztaneta/Autran school
    >1743 Reina cl (2x) - 50.15x14.07m, 28x24#/30x18#/12x8#
    >1743 San Felipe one-off - 51.71x14.49m, 28x24#/30x18#/12x8#
    >1746 Africa cl (3x) - 51.71x14.49m, 28x24#/30x18#/12x8#
    >1750 Princesa cl (3x imp Africa) - 51.76x15.325m, 28x24#/30x18#/12x8#
    Potential releases: 1743-62 Reina, 1743-50 Invencible, 1762-72 HMS Reyna, 1743-62 San Felipe, 1746-48 Africa, 1746-50 Vencedor, 1747-62 Tigre, 1762-84 HMS Tiger, 1750-80 Princesa, 1750-63 Infante, 1750-97 Galicia, 1780-84 HMS Princessa, 1763-75 HMS Infanta
    Pack potential summary: 5 Spanish, 2 British
    Relevant drawings: NMM J3953 Infanta

    Jorge Juan school
    >Mullan 1752 Africa one-off - 50.71x13.93m, 28x24#/30x18#/10x8#
    >Mullan 1754 Firme cl (2x; imp Africa)
    Potential releases: 1752-1809 Africa, 1754-1805 Firme, 1754-93 Aquiles (what happened to Aquiles upon reaching Portsmouth '93?)
    >Rooth 1753 Eolo cl (3x) - 51.59x13.09m, 28x24#/30x18#/10x8#
    >Rooth 1754 Mod Eolo cl (9x) - 51.54x13.09m, 28x24#/30x18#/10x8#
    >Rooth 1756 Triunfante cl (4x) - 51.54x13.11m, 28x24#/30x18#/10x8#
    >Rooth 1759 Principe cl (2x) - 48.45x14.37m, 28x24#/30x18#/10x8#
    Potential releases: 1753-64 Eolo, 1753-1808 Oriente, 1754-94 Magnanimo, 1754-62 Aquilon, 1754-62 Neptuno, 1754-97 Gallardo, 1754-90 Brillante, 1754-1806/1808-10 Vencedor, 1755-1818 Glorioso, 1755-62 Soberano, 1755-68 Hector, 1762-70 HMS Moro, 1762-70 HMS Soverano, 1806-08 FNS Argonaute, 1756-95 Triunfante, 1756-84 Dichoso, 1756-80 Monarca, 1756-80 Diligente, 1780-91 HMS Monarca, 1780-84 HMS Diligent, 1759-76 Principe, 1760-76 Victorioso, 1776-? SP priv ex-Principe
    >Howell 1753 Serio cl (6x) - 51.26x14.07m, 28x24#/30x18#/10x8#
    Potential releases: 1753-1805 Serio, 1754-79 Poderoso, 1754-64 Soberbio, 1754-97 Arrogante, 1754-61 Hercules, 1755-61 Contento
    Relevant drawings: NMM J3259 Monarca
    >Bryant 1754 Terrible cl (2x) - 49.55x12.54m, 28x24#/30x18#/10x8#
    >Bryant 1764 Velasco cl (3x) - 51.69x13.05m, 28x24#/30x18#/10x8#
    >1769 San Francisco de Paula l (2x) - 53.43x14.35m, 28x24#/30x18#/16x8#
    >1768 San Isidro cl (2x) - 53.29x14.37m, 28x24#/30x18#/12x8#
    >1771 San Rafael one-off - 54.29x14.17m, 28x24#/30x18#/12x8#
    >1776 San Damaso one-off - 53.29x14.58m, 28x24#/30x18#/12x8#
    Potential releases: 1754-1811 Terrible, 1754-1801 Atlante/1808-17 Atlas, 1801-08 FNS Atlas, 1764-1801 Velasco, 1765-1801 San Genaro, 1766-1803 Santa Isabel, 1801-? FNS St Genard/Ulysse, 1769-83 San Francisco de Paula, 1769-80 San Jose, 1768-97 San Isidro, 1768-80 San Julian, 1797-? HMS ex-San Isidro, 1771-1805 San Rafael, 1805-? HMS ex-San Rafael, 1776-97 San Damaso, 1797-? HMS San Damaso
    Aggregated pack potential summary: 15 Spanish, 3 British, 1 French (one odd-man-out left each flag)
    Relevant drawings/models: MNM5779 Velasco, NMM J3306 San Damaso

    Gautier school
    >1766 San Juan Nepomuceno cl (6x) - 54.71x14.3m, 28x24#/30x18#/12x8#
    >1770 San Pedro Apostol cl (3x) - 54.61x14.3m, 28x24#/30x18#/12x8#
    >1771 San Joaquin cl (4x) - 54.61x14.3m, 28x24#/30x18#/12x8#
    >1774 San Miguel one-off - 53.29x13.75m, 28x24#/30x18#/16x8#
    >1775 San Eugenio one-off - 55.26x14.95m, 30x24#/32x18#/18x8#
    >1782 San Fermin cl (2x) - 53.08x14.63m, 28x24#/30x18#/18x8#
    >1783 Bahama one-off - 52.99x14.21m, 28x24#/30x18#/16x8#
    Potential releases: 1766-1805 San Juan Nepomuceno, 1766-97 San Pascual Bailon, 1767-1805 San Francisco de Asis, 1768 San Lorenzo, 1768-1805 San Agustin, 1805-16 HMS San Juan, 1770-1804 San Pedro Apostol, 1769-1855 San Pablo, 1772-1808 San Gabriel, 1771-1817 San Joaquin, 1772 San Juan Bautista, 1773 Angel de la Guarda, 1779-1828 San Justo, 1774-83 San Miguel, 1783-91 HMS San Miguel, 1775-1804 San Eugenio, 1782-1808 San Fermin, 1783-99 San Sebastian, 1799-1807 FNS Alliance, Bahama, HMS Bahama
    Pack potential summary: 8 Spanish, 1 British (odd-men-out 1 each Spanish/British/French)
    Relevant drawings/models: NMM J2879 San Miguel, NMM J2634 Bahama
    RESEARCHER NOTES: As Spanish length measurement practice differs from British, I am going to use the ships we do have both measurements for as "para-type specimens" for comparison. Bahama measure 52.99m Spanish or 53.34 English based on different decks the measurement is along, this makes a ratio of about 1.007 to multiply by for Standard English LGD. San Juan Nepomuceno is 55.17m LGD, a ratio of 1.008. So we should figure this group to be about 0.7 to 0.8% longer than Spanish stated lengths. This means the Ares model of Bahama, measured around the lower gunports, should have been about 53mm long excluding the cutwater, sternpost and overhang. 5mm short (IIRC the model is ~47-48mm LGD) for the "baby" of the family means generally unacceptable--it needs to be about 13% larger. However, they ARE about the right size for Francisco Gautier's five 64-gunners!
    Last edited by Diamondback; 06-18-2023 at 20:52.
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    Thanks for all this extra work DB.
    I hope that it will be noted by Ares and that some new sculpts will eventually emerge from it.
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