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    Continental navy will be a welcome addition and one I'll be going for as I have more of an interest in smaller ship actions than fleet actions with SOG. Just need to decide ona cost effective method of making SOG-compatible bases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Continental navy will be a welcome addition and one I'll be going for as I have more of an interest in smaller ship actions than fleet actions with SOG. Just need to decide ona cost effective method of making SOG-compatible bases.
    Take a hunk of balsa, glue paper fire/sail arc sheet to that, glue clear plastic or overhead-transparency sheet cover on top of that?

    My main hesitation here is I'd like to see some coordination about "Ships Ares Won't Likely Do." Canada scratches our Bately 74's, don't recall if there's a Royal Oak/Alfred or a Ganges in the mix but I don't see Ares giving us another Common 74 sculpt (it's gonna be enough getting MIddlings and Larges, even with my proposed shortcut!) so those two additional Commons would be safe plays.

    It occurs to me that for the ships Ares can't do themselves, Henry might be in an ideal position to fill the gap on those too. Things like gun-brigs and around 200-250-ton sloops and schooners, stuff below the 28m deck-length floor.
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    All bread and butter stuff that we need to get DB.
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    Hello guys!

    Henry here (the creator of this Kickstarter), I'm sorry for being somewhat late to the discussion.

    I'd like to pass my thanks to Bligh for getting me approved for posting, as well as to Nightmoss for sharing my work!

    If I might give a bit of information about myself for those who're interested:
    I started modelling ships with crude balsa models last spring, while I was living in Russia (lived and worked there full-time for six years, but I'm British by birth and have since returned). Then in September I took up 3D modelling and, once corona hit, wound up doing that full-time thanks to the low cost of living over there. I spent February-July in solo isolation in my flat out there, rather desperately trying to get home but I had to wait to find a buyer before I could leave. Finally made it back to the UK at the end of July and wound up having to take up whatever job(s) I could find. Currently my aim to get back to where I was, in terms of living solely as a modeller, but this time in my native country.

    This is my third Kickstarter, my previous two were Gilded Sails (Anglo-Dutch Wars) and Baltic Bulwarks (Danes & Russians). I'm hoping it'll take me three months; with the core models done by March and the physical deliveries all out and delivered by June at the latest, with the intervening period being reserved for any stretch goals that might be unlocked. Fortunately all my preceding work has been delivered on-time, so I'd like to say I've a good track record.

    Oh, by the way, anyone interested in my method can see this old tutorial I wrote on Ships of Scale to promote Gilded Sails.

    Now I'll do my best to weigh in and address the points I can glean from the thread so far :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Good idea, but a big basic fact error undermines his cred--San Juan Nepomuceno became HMS San Juan and a harbor ship at Gibraltar, neither Berwick nor part of the battle-line.
    I am very much still a landsman with regards to the Age of Sail, in that I haven't read nearly as much as most of the ardent hobbyists. Despite having had a passing interest in sailing ships, I only really got started properly 3D modelling ships just over a year ago (after a few months' experimenting with balsa). Volunteer and I first came to know one another because I got in touch with him, along others, asking for very basic advice!

    My skill, insofar as it might be said that I have any, is in being able to faithfully reproduce original line drawings in a 3D form and alter the result so that it might prove printable. Beyond that I'm very much a layman - I think just reading the information blurbs on my products will betray that I'm not deeply read, but I take pride in the fact that I'm easily reachable and do respond to feedback. My models have very much been an evolving set of works and there's a world of difference between my first FDM models (like the Portland and Elizabeth) and what I'm producing now. To give myself some credit, though, I think my recent work is generally pretty accurate to what's being rendered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    I do like the look of those Henry Turner models. I only wish that he had more of the 18th cent Dutch ships available which could be reduced to 1,000th.
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    I should very much like to give the Dutch a proper modelling; at the very least I intend to redo Washington & Prins Maurits, and the Corvette will be getting a remixed sculpt. But, ideally, I'd like to actually do a dedicated Kickstarter, probably based either around Camperdown. The Dutch are, along with the Danish, are one of the few nations other than Britain to have done a great job recording/digitising their ship plans, so I'm really spoiled for choice!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Looks a jolly good deal to me Vol. Can't wait to see what you do with them.
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    I felt obliged to give Vol a discount, considering the great patience with which he entertained my questions about balsa ships when I first got started with naval modelling ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    The models themselves are exquisite. If he did 'em in 1/1000 and we had a supply source for masts without chopping Ares ships I'd be tempted.
    I've added 1/1000 sculpts to the Kickstarter and will indeed create printable mast sets. They'll be based on standard Establishment regulations, but the thickness of the actual mast parts will probably be similar to Rod Langton's models.

    But as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, I do currently have a free mast set up on Wargaming3D, as does Simon Mann :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    It occurs to me that for the ships Ares can't do themselves, Henry might be in an ideal position to fill the gap on those too. Things like gun-brigs and around 200-250-ton sloops and schooners, stuff below the 28m deck-length floor.
    Thus far I've modelled the Cherokee-class brig, two Schooners, a Xebec, HMS Ontario and a Dutch corvette. These are all old(ish) models that could use a bit of work to bring them up to my current standards, but I've certainly got the foundations in place for covering some holes in your range there :)


    Aaaand I guess I might cover some broader points while I'm at it:


    1/1000 sculpts

    While it's true that individual users could just scale the 1/1200 files up manually in a slicer, I've received enough queries about this scale to decide to properly support it. So, using the 1/1200 sculpts as a base, I'll produce specific 1/1000 sculpts for resin printing. I'll attempt to push the details further by including window frames, deck hatched and finer deck details. I'll also ensure the mast sets are updated; both with sails and bare yardarms.


    Physical prints

    I've added a limited run of 5 physical 1/1000 sets as a reward to the Kickstarter. The reason the run is so limited is because of time and space constraints on my end; it's just me in a small bedroom in London with a home printer!


    Cooperation with Ares

    My being rather ignorant as to the specifics of how anything like this might work, I'll just say the following: my sole aim with 3D modelling is to be able to make a full-time occupation of it. Currently I work 37 hours a week at minimum wage in a supermarket. This Kickstarter's budget was set so that, working across four months, I'd make a comparable amount of money to just sticking at my (dissatisfying) day job. To that end, I am of course open to any and all opportunities that would see me being paid to engage in something I love doing. So long as it pays more than a supermarket, I'd be interested :)


    Anyhow, hope I've been helpful! I'll stick around and watch this thread attentively. Currently my game plan is to continue with my current commitments until around mid-December, when I'm going to ask to go part-time at work in the lead up to the Kickstarter's funding window closing. During that time I'll be promoting/polishing everything as near enough to full time as I can manage. Thank you very much for your interest and I look forward to joining the discussion.

    Should you find me a tad slow, though, you can give me a poke on the Community Group on Facebook (not advocating you migrate over there or anything, just saying it's the easiest place to reach me if I seem to be snoozing).

    Finally, I will say that I'd be very grateful for any support anyone might give the Kickstarter. Please do give the page a read, including my update posts and the updated FAQs :)

    Edit: Oh, I forgot! This is obviously somewhat non-committal but my general plan for the next Kickstarter projects is to do a small pack of 3-4 French 17th century ships and a pack modelling a large part of the Continental Navy, as I know was shared here :) I'll be sure to include Bonhomme Richard and Ranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryTurner View Post
    Edit: Oh, I forgot! This is obviously somewhat non-committal but my general plan for the next Kickstarter projects is to do a small pack of 3-4 French 17th century ships and a pack modelling a large part of the Continental Navy, as I know was shared here :) I'll be sure to include Bonhomme Richard and Ranger.
    Just an FYI, if you haven't sourced plans on Bonhomme Richard yet, Jean Boudriot's forensic reconstruction from her sisters seems to be the best available--it's what we used for the Ares model, but I know if you "backdated" her to as-originally-built (basically Jones had the quarterdeck extended about eight feet forward to wrap around the mizzenmast, IIRC) I'd be interested in four to upgrade my French EIM group. Can't make promises about timing, but it's definitely a "when" question rather than an "if."
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    Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Just an FYI, if you haven't sourced plans on Bonhomme Richard yet, Jean Boudriot's forensic reconstruction from her sisters seems to be the best available--it's what we used for the Ares model, but I know if you "backdated" her to as-originally-built (basically Jones had the quarterdeck extended about eight feet forward to wrap around the mizzenmast, IIRC) I'd be interested in four to upgrade my French EIM group. Can't make promises about timing, but it's definitely a "when" question rather than an "if."
    I've got ahold of 'em aye! I'll look into how the model might have variants to it when I actually get to starting the project. But I have done different versions of the same ship in the part (e.g. the three sub-types I made for Magicienne or the Carnatic/Courageux model).

    Quote Originally Posted by Capn Duff View Post
    I am a bit late to this discussion, but from what I have read I am very enthusiastic.
    I will go back to the kickstarter and take another look.
    Initially I only saw a scale of 1/700 and 1/1200, but the sculpts look very good and another source of ships cannot be sneered at.
    I may get my HMS Mars now as per my avatar.
    By the way welcome to Henry
    Glad to hear it's of interest :) Yes, 1/1000 will be covered! If you spot any areas on the Kickstarter where I've made that ambiguous, please do let me know and I'll amend things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Just need to decide ona cost effective method of making SOG-compatible bases.
    For this feature I am talking to a firm that may be able to make some up for us, I will let you chaps know the outcome of the talks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capn Duff View Post
    For this feature I am talking to a firm that may be able to make some up for us, I will let you chaps know the outcome of the talks
    Thanks for your efforts on this one Chris. As you know from our previous discussions I am up for this one too.
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