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    Here is De Winters Fleet at Camperdown.

    Line of battle
    Ship Rate Guns Commander Casualties Notes
    Killed Wounded Total
    Gelijkheid * Third rate 68 Commander H. A. Ruijsch 40 killed[17] Badly damaged and may have been dismasted. Captured at 15:10, later became HMS Gelykheid
    Beschermer Fourth rate 56 Captain Dooitze Eelkes Hinxt Unknown Lightly damaged
    Hercules * Third rate 64 Commander Ruijsoort Unknown Hull very badly damaged and set on fire, mizenmast collapsed. Captured and became HMS Delft.
    Admiraal Tjerk Hiddes De Vries * Third rate 68 Captain J. B. Zegers Unknown Badly damaged and ship may have been dismasted. Captured at 15:00, later became HMS Devries
    Vrijheid * Third rate 74 Vice-Admiraal Jan de Winter
    Commander L. W. van Rossum
    58 98 156[17] Hull very badly damaged and ship dismasted. Captured at 15:15, later became HMS Vryheid
    Staaten Generaal Third rate 74 Rear-Admiral Samuel Story 20 40 60[18] Hull badly damaged, masts and rigging lightly damaged
    Wassenaar * Third rate 64 Commander A. Holland Unknown Damaged. First captured at 14:00, subsequently rejoined the combat and was captured again. Later became HMS Wassenaer
    Batavier Fourth rate 56 Commander Souter Unknown Lightly damaged
    Brutus Third rate 74 Rear-Admiral Johan Bloys van Treslong
    Commodore Polders
    10 50 60[18] Lightly damaged
    Leijden Third rate 68 Commander J. D. Musquetier Unknown Lightly damaged
    Mars Fifth rate razee 44 Commander D. H. Kolff 1 14 15[18] Mizenmast collapsed
    Cerberus Third rate 68 Commander Jacobsen 5 9 14[18] Lightly damaged
    Jupiter * Third rate 72 Rear-Admiral Hermanus Reijntjes 61 killed[17] Hull and rigging severely damaged, main and mizenmasts collapsed. Captured at 13:45, later became HMS Camperdown
    Haarlem * Third rate 68 Captain O. Wiggerts Heavy casualties Hull severely damaged and mizenmast collapsed. Captured at 13:15, later became HMS Haerlem
    Alkmaar * Fourth rate 56 Captain J. W. Krafft 26 62 82[18] Hull severely damaged and ship dismasted in the immediate aftermath of the battle. Captured at 14:30, later became HMS Alkmaar.
    Delft * Fourth rate 56 Captain Gerrit Verdooren van Asperen 43 76 119[17] Hull severely damaged. Captured at 14:15. Sank during journey to Britain with the loss of an additional 34 lives.[19]
    Frigate line
    Atalante Brig 18 Commander B. Pletsz Unknown
    Heldin Fifth rate 32 Commander Johan Ferdinand Dumesnil de l'Estrille Unknown
    Galathée Brig 18 Commander Riverij Unknown
    Minerva Sixth rate 24 Commander Eijlbracht Unknown
    Ajax Brig 18 Lieutenant Arkenbout Unknown
    Waakzaamheid Sixth rate 24 Commander Meindert van Nierop Unknown
    Ambuscade * Fifth rate 36 Commander J. Huijs Unknown Captured but later driven ashore on the Dutch coast and retaken by Dutch forces
    Daphné Brig 18 Lieutenant Frederiks Unknown Badly damaged
    Monnikkendam * Fifth rate 44 Commander Thomas Lancester 50 killed[17] Badly damaged. Captured at 14:00 but subsequently wrecked on the Dutch coast
    Haasje Advice boat 6 Lieutenant Hartingveld Unknown
    Total casualties: 540 killed, 620 wounded
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Distilling the Camperdown list by rate...
    Rate Admiralty/Design Camperdown ships Non-involved similar
    3-74 Amsterdam Adm. Vrijheid (HMS Vryheid), Jupiter (HMS Camperdown) Washington (HMS Princess of Orange), ?Prints Maurits, ?Zeven Provincien (op by Noorderkwartier)
    3-74 Friesland Adm. Stad en Lande, Friesland
    3-74 Meuse Adm. - Prins Willem de Eerste class Staaten Generaal, Willem de Eerste->Brutus
    3-68 Friesland Adm. - one-off? Adm. Tjerk Hiddes De Vries (HMS Devries)
    3-68 Meuse Adm. - De Ruyter class Gelijkheid (HMS Gelykheid), Haarlem (HMS Haerlem), Leijden (HMS Leyden), Cerberus (HMS Texel) Admiraal de Ruijter (HMS De Ruyter), Utrecht (HMS Utrecht), Gelderland (HMS Guelderland), Verwagting, Overijssel
    3-66 Meuse Adm. - Prins Frederik class Wassenaar (HMS Wassenaer), Hercules (HMS Delft) Prins Frederik->Revolutie (HMS Prince Frederick)
    4-56 Meuse Adm. Delft, Alkmaar (HMS Alkmaar) Brakel (HMS Brakel), Maarten Harpentzoon Tromp (HMS Tromp)
    4-56 Amsterdam Adm. Batavier (HMS Batavier) Broederschap (HMS Broederschap)
    4-56 Noorderkwartier Adm. Beschermer (HMS Beschermer)
    5-44 twodecker Hector (HMS Pandour), ex-EIM Unie (HMS Drochterland)
    5-44 razee Friesland Adm. - ex-68
    as-built similar to Tjerk Hiddes?
    Zevenwolden->Mars (HMS Vleiter)
    5-44 (24pdr) Amsterdam Adm. Amphitrite (HMS Amphitrite), Eendragt
    5-44 Noorderkwartier Adm. Monnikkendam 7 more between all admiralties
    5-36 (12pdr) Meuse Adm. Castor (HMS Saldanha)
    5-36 (12pdr) Amsterdam Adm. Alliantie (HMS Alliance), Zefir (HMS Eurus), Argo (HMS Janus), Jason (HMS Proselyte)
    5-36 (12pdr) Zeeland Adm. Thulen (HMS Tholin)
    5-36 (12pdr) Meuse Adm. NEIC Jong Willem->Embuscade (1799 HMS Ambuscade->Helder)
    5-32 Amsterdam Heldin
    5-32 (18pdr) Juno class 12 total Juno, Proserpina (UK capt), Pallas (UK capt), Maria Reijgersbergen (UK capt),
    Phenix (UK capt), Kenau Hasselaar (1st, UK capt), Orpheus->Gelderland (HMS Guelderland), Irene,
    Euridice (FNS Eurydice), Kenau Hasselaar (2nd, to French same name), Vriesland (FNS Frise), Minerva (FNS Minerve)
    5-32 (18pdr) Dageraad (imp Juno) class Aurora (FNS Aurore), Maria Reigersbergen (FNS Maria)
    6-24 Zeeland Adm. Minerva (HMS Braak)
    6-24 Noorderkwartier Adm. Waakzaamheid (FNS Vigilance->HMS Waaksaamheidt)
    U-18 (brig) Atalante, Galathee, Ajax, Daphne Hippomenes, Spion (both UK capt)
    U-6 (aviso) Haasje

    This is a preliminary assessment from BWAS, next move is to haul my copy of FWAS out of its box under the bed and see what can be dug out of it. I haven't even tried to fight with the brigs yet... Yes, there are two Gelderlands, both taken as HMS Guelderland!

    I don't have the Wreeker 80's worked in either. There was a mass-capture in 1799 in the Texel, so that might be another action to look to for building a Dutch roster around. Sadly, after the scaling and wrong-mizzen issues I'm at a point where if I'm losing confidence even if the line ever does get off the rocks again.
    Last edited by Diamondback; 08-15-2021 at 14:28.
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