Scale Conversion--1/1000 to 1/700

[Nightmoss]

Without starting another thread I have a quick question that probably doesn't have a quick answer, but I'll throw it out in any case. If both Ares and Warlord Games fudged the scale of USS Constitution to add to its table appeal (and make US buyers happier) what would the scale be for both the Ares '1/1000' version and the Warlords '1/700'? I don't expect to get exact numbers, but is Warlords really closer to 1/600 and Ares more like 1/800? This only applies to the Constitution as looking at Bonhomme Richard there doesn't appear to be anything being out of line with other ships. Thanks in advance if anyone has some ideas on this.

[DeRuyter]

Without starting another thread I have a quick question that probably doesn't have a quick answer, but I'll throw it out in any case. If both Ares and Warlord Games fudged the scale of USS Constitution to add to its table appeal (and make US buyers happier) what would the scale be for both the Ares '1/1000' version and the Warlords '1/700'? I don't expect to get exact numbers, but is Warlords really closer to 1/600 and Ares more like 1/800? This only applies to the Constitution as looking at Bonhomme Richard there doesn't appear to be anything being out of line with other ships. Thanks in advance if anyone has some ideas on this.

Do you mean the general look of the models compared to other ships? Obviously the stats such as LWL or LOA are easy to find and convert, and Constitution is as long (LWL) as some RN 74s if I recall correctly.

[Nightmoss]

Do you mean the general look of the models compared to other ships? Obviously the stats such as LWL or LOA are easy to find and convert, and Constitution is as long (LWL) as some RN 74s if I recall correctly.

At the moment I'm just focusing on the USS Constitution from Ares and whether or not the masts and sails could be used on Henry's 3D print of St. Pavel? Because of the scale discrepancies and from what I see when eye balling it I would say not, but that just started me wondering how far the scale drift is in both Ares line and Warlords products.

Right now there are a number of folks kit bashing the Warlord ships to create 2nd rates as well as other ship rates. There's even one person whose started a conversion of several Warlord ships into the USS Independence.

As I said there's likely not an easy answer, but I wanted to toss it out here.

[Diamondback]

Do you mean the general look of the models compared to other ships? Obviously the stats such as LWL or LOA are easy to find and convert, and Constitution is as long (LWL) as some RN 74s if I recall correctly.

Constitution LBP 175' (between perpendiculars)
Typical British 74 LGD ~168' (including perpendiculars)
HMS Victory LGD 186' (incl perps)

So if you have a 74 and an RN threedecker, a Humphreys superfrigate should slot in around halfway between.

[Lieste]

Do you mean the general look of the models compared to other ships? Obviously the stats such as LWL or LOA are easy to find and convert, and Constitution is as long (LWL) as some RN 74s if I recall correctly.

She is as long as the middling classes (of the earlier type), larger than the early common 74 (164ft-170ft gets you from Dublin to Canada), but smaller than the later "french pattern" 74s.
175ft on the Gundeck - the Leda 18pdr Frigate is 152ft by the same measure.

The large Frigate is narrower than the 74 though by a noticeable amount, and her burden is 'around' 1550-1570 tuns, with the 64s being around 1350tuns, and smallish 74s around 1605 tuns, up to 2200 for the larger 'French' pattern.

This length on deck is for the 'gundeck' and not the armed upper deck or the forecastle/quarterdeck/spardeck - this is 'blind' on frigates and approximates the waterline length, as it does on the bluffer ships of the line with their lower port height (where the gundeck is indeed armed).
It is however the length inside the planking - or from the inside of the stem and stern post (inside the rudder post), so identifying exactly where it lies on a small model can be a bit tricky.