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    Hi Chris,
    I'm interested to know which ship you (or anyone else for that matter) use for the
    Spanish ship Rayo and if/how you've modified it from the standard base ship.
    Also if you have modified any stats, the firing arcs and/or sailing angles from the host.

    Being pretty much a single type ship I don't see an actual ship for it for some time, if ever.

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    Hi Alan
    For Rayo I used SGN111b San Carlos

    Using three decks as ref

    San Carlos
    Length of Gundeck205' 5"Burgos Feet57.1362 (187′ 5″ Imperial)
    Length of Keel183' 9"Burgos Feet50.9863 (167′ 3″ Imperial)
    Breadth54' 7"Burgos Feet15.085 (49′ 5″ Imperial)
    Depth in Hold27' 6"Burgos Feet7.5421 (24′ 8″ Imperial)
    Burthen2,308Tons BM
    Armament
    1787Broadside Weight = 1188 Spanish libre (1281.852 lbs 545.292 kg)B002Gun Deck30 Spanish 36-Pounder
    Gun Deck32 Spanish 24-Pounder
    Gun Deck32 Spanish 12-Pounder
    Gun Deck18 Spanish 8-Pounder

    Crew Complement 1787 878

    Rayo using Goodwins Ships of Trafalgar
    Length of Gundeck 189’
    Length of Keel 165’
    Breadth 57’ 14.89
    Depth in Hold28' 3".
    Burthen 1889 tons

    Armament
    1787Broadside Weight = 1010 Lbs

    Gun Deck30 Spanish 36-Pounder
    Gun Deck30 Spanish 18-Pounder
    Gun Deck6 Spanish 18-Pounder carronades
    Gun Deck32 Spanish 8-Pounder

    Crew Complement. 1805. 830men

    So in size the ships are within a couple of mm in this scale the main difference being crew, armament and weight of shot.
    To account for this I subtracted 1 from each value in the firing values
    For the crew I changed the initial number of boxs by one removing the first 4 box for actions and muskets.

    This gave the stats, for ne anyway, a feel for larger than the Montanes ships and Smaller than the Meregildos.
    The sailing burden Etc I kept as San Carlos.

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    I followed Chris when I did mine as well.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capn Duff View Post
    The real issue is that I believe the actual Bahama model is shorter than it should be,
    Not "believe," amigo, PROVEN FACT. All of Wave 3 are significantly undersize because of a measuring error introduced by Windows screen scaling (Windows automatically presents everything at something like 90% "actual" size), but Bahama in particular is scaled based on her dimensions as a 64-gunner as laid down rather than a 74 as taken.

    I have a suspicion that even though I told Ares *exactly* what was wrong, that this underscaling is "the new normal"... :( This is why YOU CANNOT JUST PUT A RULER ON YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN TO TAKE MEASUREMENTS!
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    Oh DB! You have just destroyed my belief in Wysiwyg, Santa Clause and the Easter Beagle all in one.

    Seriously though, I also get the same problem when designing ship cards. Despite sizing them exactly according to Photoshop measurements they invariably print out with a sizing error, which has to be corrected.
    Thank you for taking the time to fully explain why the issue occurred though. I wonder at which stage of production this gaffe was made?

    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Rob, try scaling up by 105 to 110% and see what that does for you. Alternately, put together a 1" scale bar on your screen (viewed at "actual size", what MS Paint calls a 1" measurement straight line, then take a pair of calipers and measure that line's actual length. A quick bit of division to find the reciprocal (1 / [measurement]), scale up to that percentage (ie, 1.05 = 105%) and Bob's Yer Uncle... for that specific computer at least.
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    Thanks DB.
    I will give it a go.
    Maybe there is an Easter Beagle after all.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    My photoshop sizing is spot on. I would recommend that you check your print settings. There are a few options you should make sure you don't use like "Fit to page"

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    Thanks for that help too Jonas.
    I will check for sure.
    this has all happened since I had my new printer.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Fit to page puts your "page" within the magins of the printed page, ie sized down. There's also the old A4 or US Letter page size question that could affect the outcome.

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    Cheers Jonas.
    I knew about the A4 size problem because the Printer prog always defaults to the 4.5 inch scale when you set the quality setting so it needs adjusting last of all or it comes out too big again.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    at last pics of the missing ships from the Brit orbat

    HMS Swiftsure


    HMS Colossus


    HMS Minotaur


    HMS conqueror


    HMS Leviathan


    So thats a pic of every Ship of the Line that we used for the Trafalagar game and is a model of every Ship of the Line that took part in the actual battle, I didn not use any Frigates

    any questions I am available to answer, these have been added to post 2 and the orbat now complete

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    Well done sir. This was indeed a marathon effort to collect the ships let alone to rig them all.
    A very impressive array indeed.
    Bligh.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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