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    Someone made a bit of a gaff there then!
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    Very funny!

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    My first thought is cut 'em off, sand them to an angle that works on the right tack, glue them back together, and re-install. I like your take on it, Rob. but wouldn't it be more appropriate to say, "I don't like the cut of their jib"?

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    *groan* Last stinker I experienced that bad was the aftermath of Operation Fartjar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    My first thought is cut 'em off, sand them to an angle that works on the right tack, glue them back together, and re-install. I like your take on it, Rob. but wouldn't it be more appropriate to say, "I don't like the cut of their jib"?
    Indubitably Dobbs.
    Although from DB's response, we could both be sailing too close to the wind.
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    LOL, bear in mind my sense of humor is stunted in growth and warped at best.

    *s French just on general principle* :D
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    That's pretty mild DB.
    I was expecting a full





    Sorry! Delete the first gunport and replace with an extra one at the stern. They messed up again.

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    GET OUT OF MY HEAD, ^&^$%^&^&*^ YOU! There are things in there that are for the GF's mind and mine only... (Let's just say being involved with a semi-feral cougar starting to explore her wild side can be "interesting" and leave it at that.)

    LOL
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    Well that's women for you.
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    Yeah... I fully expect to croak from a heart attack in her bed, but what a way to go if your Ace of Spades has to hit the table. :) LOL

    (Sorry, it's almost 1AM after a long day here and my mind starts doing weird things when fatigue sets in... and the Sawmill From Hell at the other end of the suite is not helping at all.)
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    No worries DB.
    I just trust that you get a good nights rest.
    Sleep well.
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    Are we still waiting? Can't find them on the Internet here in UK.

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    As far as I know they are not released here yet Carl.
    The British lads will have their eyes out for the first sign of any, so we will soon get the tip off.
    I am waiting to get the other side of the card ships, having pre ordered the full set from Keith at the Anchorage Store here on the site. He is already starting to run out of stock however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    Somebody else noticed that the jib and fore staysail on the British 50s are bulging into the wind?

    Same with the French 64...
    That means 12 out of the 24 ships I purchased have misrepresented sails? I won't even bring up the scale issue I think is going on with the Spanish First Rates!? This is rather disappointing.
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    We should start a sweep stake Jim.

    "How many mistakes do you think the Santisima Trinidad will have if it ever actually arrives?"

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    Moan, moan, moan, its getting like the Aerodrome here

    (mutter, mutter " triplane upper wings", mutter, mutter, "Staaken trench".....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Moan, moan, moan, its getting like the Aerodrome here

    (mutter, mutter " triplane upper wings", mutter, mutter, "Staaken trench".....)
    "Bf109K wingtips and tailgroup..."
    It's like people expect some accuracy in their minis! What audacity, what utter unmitigated gall I tell you! :p
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    Wargamers these days don't know they're born. When I started these were the cutting edge of wargaming.....


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    I shall write a strongly worded letter to the Times.
    Bligh.

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    By the way, no answer from Andrea or Roberto re the 9 gunnery factor.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Wargamers these days don't know they're born. When I started these were the cutting edge of wargaming.....

    Walked to school TWO MILES, UPHILL BOTH WAYS, in SIX FOOT SNOW, and LIKED IT, did you? :p lol
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    Actually 4 miles, and we had to scale a cliff......

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    I hate smug people.

    :p lol

    In all seriousness, if Ares pulls a WOTC Messerschpitt this is me...
    https://youtu.be/vXLLH1eSOZE
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    I used to own some of those Airfix miniatures.

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    When I was a lad, those hills were mountains, and we had an Ice Age to contend with.
    Good thing was there were no schools to have to go to.
    If they had been any, our toy soldiers would have looked like this.


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    Love those expressions. Just what were they looking at I wonder? :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    We should start a sweep stake Jim.

    "How many mistakes do you think the Santisima Trinidad will have if it ever actually arrives?"

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    I expect most folks wouldn't notice, or even care, about some of the mistakes in Wave 3? As for the ST Ares may have more leeway as I don't think there are any documented plans anywhere in existence?
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    That could be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it Jim.
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    There's also an assumption that the drawings accurately reflect the ship, which I can tell you now, they do not necessarily do today, even in the age of CAD!

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    Maybe we should just go with the flow as regards dimentions then Dave, and just cuss about the wind being freaky today.
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    The Russian naval archives in St Petersburg have ST plans, and they even built a slightly scaled-down copy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Maybe we should just go with the flow as regards dimentions then Dave, and just cuss about the wind being freaky today.
    Rob.
    I am aware of one member of a class of modern warships that is a metre shorter than her classmates because of some small build errors that accumulated, and one of my colleagues fell foul of trusting ships drawings rather than measuring at ship when he prefabricated a module which then didn't fit as the available space wasn't as shown on the drawings. And that is with modern drawing and modeling techniques. Imagine the scope for error in drawing and building in the 18th and 19th centuries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    The Russian naval archives in St Petersburg have ST plans, and they even built a slightly scaled-down copy.
    Yes, that source and the Spanish archives have been well laundered by the scale model community. There are at least two sets of ST plans commercially available (or at least there have been in recent years)

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    I can well visualize how it happened Dave.
    We once completed a fabrication where all the spars were handed as to the hole placings for bolts.
    When we came to assemble the structure all the bolt holes had been drilled in left handed mode, and there was nothing wrong with those working drawings. Only cost 10K to rectify. Murphy's Law strikes again.
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    An old friend who used to work in a Puget Sound breaker's yard before he took up bus driving once told of a WWII escort-carrier he was dismantling where they found a complete, never-used machine shop because that prefab section had been misinstalled so there was no hatchway through the bulkheads around it. (The ship's machine shop, after dismantling, relocation and reassembly, was still serving him well when we last spoke a few years ago.)

    Happened more than once with various spaces, they even found one ship with a fully stocked armory. "Garands and 1911s for Everyone!"
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    The new ships may have reached the U.K. now because I have seen an internet games shop based in the U.K. advertising them for sale.
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    Gamesquest are showing these now in stock, the Spanish 74 @£19 and 112 @£21

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    Thanks for the information shipmates.
    I can now start getting my duplicate 74s.
    Rob.

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    GamesQuest is where I saw them advertised. I was a bit dismayed by the price rises but I suppose thoseare the consequence of the fall in the value of the pound owing to the Brexit vote.

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    Unfortunately price is about what
    I was expecting, even taking into account the Obersts discounts a 74 was $16 and the three deckers $18, current exchange rates are around £=$ which means 74 £16 and 100+ £18 add to that postage $40 = £40 divided by the number of ships say all 12 adds another£2 to the price, unfortunately we then have the tax and handling charge, if caught by HMC&E adds possibly anothe £1.50 no matter what the oberst adds to the packaging the customs are taking greater interest it seems an we all know about the Royal Mail £12 handling charge for posting a piece of paper to say they have the models :( so I was expexting a price around £18 to £22.
    Of course other shops may offer lower prices as time goes on, but
    Im pretty sure this series will go fast due to the nature of the ships portrayed. I ordered the Spanish and hope to pick up the others around the shows this year

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    That does, however, make the Anchorage store much more competitive now. Hence my proclivity to support Keith by purchasing from him. If you divide the charges out by the number of times you manage to dodge the tax, it works out quite well.
    Rob.

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    I'm soon to order some additional models, but wondered which people would select and why, particularly from an historical perspective.

    Which Spanish 1st Rate model would you select and why?

    I plan to purchase a single 50 and a 60, one for the French and one for the British. Which would you select and why?

    I will also purchase two of the Spanish 3rd Raters, but the choices here are simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TWR View Post
    I'm soon to order some additional models, but wondered which people would select and why, particularly from an historical perspective.

    Which Spanish 1st Rate model would you select and why?

    I plan to purchase a single 50 and a 60, one for the French and one for the British. Which would you select and why?

    I will also purchase two of the Spanish 3rd Raters, but the choices here are simple.
    Keith, from a historical perspective I've been waiting for the Santa Ana since they announced and released HMS Royal Sovereign. The battle between these two ships at Trafalgar has been of special interest to me since I got into this period of naval gaming. I will acknowledge that the current firepower of the Santa Ana may be extreme compared to other First Rates in the game, but that won't stop me from trying a one on one, or similar battle, between these two ships that stems from their historical exchange at Trafalgar.
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    I agree with Jim.
    If you are only going to buy one three Decker it has to be the Santa Ana because of the historical importance of it at Trafalgar. As the Flagship of Vice-Admiral Ignacio Maria de Alva y Navarrete, it played a pivotal role in the battle. I only wish that Ares would issue Captain and Admirals' ability cards with important ships such as these.

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    Thank you both for the suggestion and reasons. Much appreciated.

    Any thoughts on the 50 & 60 gun ships?
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    The only ones that I was very keen to get was HMS Leander because it was at the Nile.
    We are doing Sven's Nile at Doncaster this year.

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    Both HMS Leopard and HMS Leander were famous for their "affairs". The Chesapeake–Leopard Affair and the Leander Affair. Both make them interesting from a historical perspective. I bought both due to that.

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    I only mentioned Leander as Keith only said he was getting one of each type.
    T clear the position up, I did buy all of them myself Jonas.
    Rob.

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    I did not. I only bought one each of HMS Leopard, HMS Leander and Artésien.

    The Spanish on the other hand... two of each.

    Worth mentioning is that I somewhat base my buys on which painting scheme I think look good and don't care what flag Ares put on it as I will remove them anyway.

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    I was thinking of changing HMS Bahama back to Spanish colours Jonas.
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