I agree, the game was a test of the points system, not our attempt to make a balanced game - I too would have given the frigates a bit more. Points systems are inherently subject to abuse as they cannot balance every situation, and so much of a battle is down to luck and good play!
It was a useful game!
I've always found double the ships for each rate you go down. 1 1st vs 2 3rd. 1 3rd vs 2 5th. 1st vs 4 5th or 1st vs 1 3rd and 2 5th etc.
This Spanish 1st rate looks a litte bit shorter then the French Ocean class.Originally Posted by KDz
But wouldn't that be correct? Either from someone here or elsewhere I'm sure I've read that the Ocean class ships were actually larger (longer) than even the Santisima Trinidad?
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Yes, Santissima Trinidad was in overall length even shorter (about 8m difference!) than the 100-gun HMS Victory, so I think Ares' miniature is quite correct.
I don't know anything about Spanish 1st rates.
So if you say the the Ocean class was the biggest player on the waves I believe you.
So what kind of Spanish 1st rate do we have here?
Like said before, it's not the Santissima Trinidad.
This one is much shorter.
The Santissima Trinidad was built from one of these, so she wasn't much longer either. Both were significantly shorter than HMS Victory.
Although the Trinidad had more guns and a higher tonnage than most 1st rates of that time, her overall length was just about 61m, so shorter than HMS Victory (69m) and even the Frigate USS Constitution (62m).
In modern depictions she often looks much bigger (examples: http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps40bada89.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sVt4Psg.gif), especially when compared to older ones: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...a_Trinidad.jpg
I wonder if it's significant that it's the first first rate with a royal set. Did they use the masts from the 74s, not wanting to use the same as the other first rates with the mast problem? Does that mean that smaller ratlines work?
--3x2 British 50-gun Fourth Rate
Does this mean I might have my "horrible old Leopard" this year?
Sven, it''s Los Meregildos or for example Santa Ana.
Michael, most likely yes. I'd guess both Leopard and Leander will be among them as being the two most famous of them.
Some recent paintings of the Santisima Trinidad here: http://www.todoababor.es/historia/?s=santisima+trinidad
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
Great paintings
If Ares do not produce a Santissima Trinidad model, is there someone who could produce a 1/1000 scale Shapeways model?
All very interesting comments gentlemen, and whilst I am glad to simply get ships enough to provide a reasonable Spanish presence at last, the opportunities which the new range presents for repaints etc excites me even more.
Rob.
I second your comments Rob, looking forward to some new blood as it were
Rob, do you had the opportunity to talk with Andrea in Prague about details of wave 3, release date etc.
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Andrea has posted on BoardGameGeek that he has nothing to do with the production side of Sails of Glory. While he might have been able to hint at what's coming up in the future I'll bet he's as clueless as us concerning the release date? At least that's what I'm guessing.Rob, do you had the opportunity to talk with Andrea in Prague about details of wave 3, release date etc.
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–English Proverb
Rob was busy!
I didn't ask Andrea about wave 3, but I guess like last year he wasn't able to give us release dates or something like that.
I'm surprised at the small room. How many participants were there?
It doesn't look as big as I would have thought.
I think we were 20 - 24 players at friday.
It's the rear room of Ladineks shop, but it's perfect for our pure WoG & SoG convention.
I see, so we wait for any news about release date.
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Wrong thread?
No, just a reply to something rom Page 1 that wasn't re-quoted, on two-deckers vs. frigates.Wrong thread?
Two-decker's basically a general-purpose workhorse, "jack of all trades master of none." More firepower and durability than a frigate, less than a two-decker SOL; more maneuverable than an SOL but not as handy as a frigate. Good for convoy escort, fixed-position blockades, inshore pursuit and long-range raiding; not good in the Line of Battle or chasing frigates and sloops on open-ocean.
Ladinek's was perfect on Friday/Sunday and at a pinch may have accommodated us all on Saturday too.
...the fresh tapped beer at the Warboss shop was fantastic.
The staff was friendly and we had a great time, too.
Had 7 beers and 2 shots at the Warboss shop.
Yes Sven, the beer certainly flowed freely. Well mine did at any rate.
I still don't know who's cards I wet with my pint. I want to send them a replacement pack.
Rob.
I'm late, but never mind. Rob, I think that all cards were ok after drying on heating panel under window. The WoW cards are very resistible and we saved them quickly. You can sleep well and next time take another
Thanks Daniel.
In that case, if you are sure all is well, I will return the pack to my box.
Rob.
Ahhh, beer and table top games. You guys have got this life thing figured out!
So there would be 3 of each ship with a back printed card for the two variants. 12 ships, 24 variants as before...got it. It's been over 6 months since I played, so many other demands on time
Glad to be of service Daniel.
Rob.
It sounds promising, right?
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Promising but expensive.We really need to buy every variant of the Spanish to build up that fleet and one at least of each of the other sculpts. That makes 18 in all for me.
Rob.
That's a lot of 1st Raters. It will however be good to have some Spanish ships.We really need to buy every variant of the Spanish to build up that fleet and one at least of each of the other sculpts. That makes 18 in all for me.
Rob.
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Six will equal the French First Rates available, and be one fewer than the British, if you include Victory. Now a special release of the Santisima would bring the French up to parity with the Brits.
Rob
Sure you would get a good price on doubles of all of them!Promising but expensive.
Rob.
Exactly, expensive. I was always worried about this, and because of this I long delayed to purchase my own copy of the game. I knew from the beginning that it will not end with core set.
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Im just drooling over having another 24 ships, just want
My wife would certainly have divorced me, if she discovered how much money I spend on it
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All these posts are making me even more anxious for some official word on a release date?! As usual there are continued updates on the Wings Facebook page and all we see are Ares plans for more board games on our FB page?
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
When they got the painting proofs on their desks in April, my mind calculated October/November to be able buy something. Christmas present for self?
Probably when they come back from their summer vacations in August they will post something, til then silence.
Yeah, I expect you're correct. However, if they're planning on attending Gen Con in August and we haven't had any 'news' you can be sure I'm going to do my best to get some concrete information out of Roberto.
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
So I was pretty close?
God call Fred.So I was pretty close?
Rob.
I'm getting more excited about this. I wish they would give us more details!
Christmas time would work out ok for me, I can probably beg some as presents!
That would be very nice Hugh.
I have been getting very late Christmas presents from both Nexus and Ares for years.
Can't help feeling that they are missing a trick there.
Rob.
Sooner is better than waiting for a particular time of year in my books. There will only be further delay with distribution if they tried to time things.
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Yes but if I add disposable income to family presents I can get the whole set in both ship cards.
Rob.
Perhaps you need to educate the family on what you "need". My son seems to do better with his wife than I ever have...
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Nice thread - thanks all, especially DB confirming Wave 3 config...
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