Here is the repainted model Argonauta done as Neptuno together with its new ship mat, ship card and base card.
Rob.
Neptuno.
Here is the repainted model Argonauta done as Neptuno together with its new ship mat, ship card and base card.
Rob.
Spot on!
Cheers Richard.
That's the kind of conversion I like.
Rob.
It's nice seeing this, Rob.
I have some minis that need to be repainted for Origins. One of these days, I will have to get around to having Sue do them.
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Very nicely done, I must see if I can find another Spanish SoL
Well done, Rob!
Stafford are out of them Chris.Originally Posted by Capn Duff
Amazon have them but they are Ł18.95.
Rob.
Beautiful!
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
You gentlemen are all far too kind, praising my very modest effort, when compared with the magnificent ships that several of you are producing.
Thank you all very much for your encouragement and the Rep points.
Rob.
I need to look on my own Argonauta to see what parts are repainted.
...ah, ok.
No more blue paint on the hulk.
Looks nice and good job on the ship's cards.
Very kind of you to say so Sven.
It has encouraged me to look at other possible conversions.
Rob.
Nice job Rob. Looking good for some French conversions I have.
Had a look around Rob and as you say, I can only see them available from Amazon in uk, didnt realise the Spanish were so popular, so may have to get a standard French Temeraire and reflag
I think that to get a sizable Spanish Fleet in any realistic time parameter that may be the only way to go Chris. I may well need to do the same myself.
Rob.
Unfortunately I have to agree Rob, not heard a peep when we likely to see fleet re-inforcements
Ares, may have been the Greek god of War, but it seems this Ares is the god of inaction, sadly!
This I guess is the "trap" that comes from selling named vessels, not a problem that the conventional naval wargaming fraternity has to suffer.
I agree, I understand why the named vessel format was used, as it makes them collectible, and people can be emotionally drawn to a famous name.
I, too, wish they had made a few models, and sold lots of packs of maneuver cards, ships logs and base cards - etc. As (IMHO) a lot of the models are produced in questionable colour schemes anyway, it would allow a cheaper way of making different ships for the manufacturer and we players!
Ah well, no use crying over spilt milk, eh
No, in fact we had this discussion during playtesting and development. Its actually not a problem if the players are happy to do what naval wargamers for years have done and use "ship X" for "ship Y" and not worry to much about it.
Print your own card to put in the base and you can have whatever ship you want still works.
Exactly
That is what stopped me from getting into S.O.G. If only they had sold the game and bits with no models. Yes we (I) could of changed ships. Would that be a copyright thing? Some thing I could not be a part offI agree, I understand why the named vessel format was used, as it makes them collectible, and people can be emotionally drawn to a famous name.
I, too, wish they had made a few models, and sold lots of packs of maneuver cards, ships logs and base cards - etc. As (IMHO) a lot of the models are produced in questionable colour schemes anyway, it would allow a cheaper way of making different ships for the manufacturer and we players!
Ah well, no use crying over spilt milk, eh
Be safe
Rory
The only thing is its a little confusing if the ships log says one thing, and the model base card another, in multiple ship engagement.
With the Merchantmen thread http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...d&goto=newpost I started doing cards and logs, its not too much trouble once the basic things are scanned and modified. I doubt many casual players will be happy to do the work required to do this, though. Mind you, the 'casual' player would probably not need more than the ships already provided by Ares!
OK, disregard this post!!!!
I imagined they would sell the models as a class of vessel, and separately sell packs to modify the basic model into another.
That would have worked for me.I imagined they would sell the models as a class of vessel, and separately sell packs to modify the basic model into another.
Be safe
Rory
It would be possible to play the game just using the ship base cards because 'different altitudes' are not involved, although it would lose much of its visual appeal.
There is a company called Topside Minis, which produce plan views of WW1 and WW2 ships and aircraft for use in wargames. This company were mentioned over on the Aerodrome. I suppose that, if there was sufficient demand, they might consider a new range of sailing ships. That might be a way to keep the game alive, if Ares ever pull out (Not that there is any indication of that happening). http://topsideminis.com/
I agree David.
Cards could be used, but it would not have the same appeal as the ships do.
I will continue to convert where I can, and await further issues from Ares.
Rob.
As most ships could if not did follow a generic paint colour, ie British yellow/black then General ships would only need a name change. I mean ships in the same named class. Amazon frigates, Swan spools, Temerair (bad spelling, on phone) etc.
Well Neil!
That brings us back neatly to the question, do we really notice slight deviations in design of ships in the same class at this scale, and does it matter to anyone except the dedicated experts?
Rob.
Its nice to have the different classes of ships. But in most ship model ranges, as you get to the smaller or less well known nations you get a standard model, eg; a 74 gun or a 4th rate. Its only with the big 3 nations (And U.S. ships) do you get the different classes/named ships of one rate. Some nations, you get no model ships at all. This is the point that re-painting starts. At this scale 1-1200/1-1000 and smaller I do not think it matters. Unless it is a small action 1 V 1. From 4 plus a side the ship becomes just a 74 or 1st rate ship. The small different does not show so much. Nor should it.The only rules for fleet action that goes into this is in a big way is "Signal Close Action". A set of rules I keep looking at, but not play. Ares are tiring to square a circle with named and class of ships. Unless they run large numbers of class and named ships it does not work. Or you make your own (Piracy????).
Be safe
Rory
The collector in me wants different models with individual stats and color schemes. When I buy a new ship, I study it carefully, see how it is different from the others and generally admire it from many angles. I go online and research the ship to see what tidbits I can learn about it. When it puts to sea for action, It's all about the numbers on the ships logs. I'm looking mainly at the bases during a game and the ships actually get in the way of that. But it looks great when I just glance up at the engagement and see the ships on the table.
I follow the 2 foot rule, as I cannot tell much difference in most ships at that range, I would be tolerant of slight historical inaccuracies!
If you are looking at such detail, why Ares Models????? There are so many better model ships around. Or go for board-games. Again Squaring Circles. Also the stats would change over time. The longer at sea the slower she sails. The more time in harbour the less well the ship is handled. So which "Tidbits" do you use? You will end-up doing as below. A 74 becomes a 74. I think that you see all navies of this period as the very small U.S. fleet. The little different in ships stats in the bigger navies does not come to the fore, Unless really bad. eg. one very slow sailer in a large fleet.
At this scale or smaller. I would go along with you.I follow the 2 foot rule, as I cannot tell much difference in most ships at that range, I would be tolerant of slight historical inaccuracies!
Be safe
Rory
Last edited by Devsdoc; 11-23-2015 at 15:38.
I must admit to not being particularly concerned about using a named ship and converting to another purely by changing cards and logs.
I have already done this with a few models to give me a few other ships that I wanted, Timoleon, America, Hms Resolution and HMS Aboukir to name a few.
As long as the model is of the correct class Im happy enough, most ships seem to be painted similar.
Seems that the consensus so far is pretty much what I was thinking then gentlemen.
I am happy to go along with this and approximate the ship I feel fits best.
Rob.
Consensus is good, but I do not need it if I think something is reasonable and sensible, as this so clearly is!
Full speed ahead....and damn the torpedoes, Gentlemen!
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