Sea based projection of power, port blockades, colonization, national muscle flexing.Originally Posted by fredmiracle
No, none of that politically motivated stuff here.
Sea based projection of power, port blockades, colonization, national muscle flexing.
No, none of that politically motivated stuff here.
18th/19th century politics = fun!
21st century politics = turnoff
I seem to recall reading somewhere our forefathers ridding us of this over tea one evening...
Fort Wayne to Columbus is usually 1 day shipping! (crosses fingers)
Is there a prize for first pictures?
Odds are favorable for you. Good luck.Fort Wayne to Columbus is usually 1 day shipping! (crosses fingers)
Is there a prize for first pictures?
If you hire the winner of the Brazilian butt contest to hold the game...yes.Fort Wayne to Columbus is usually 1 day shipping! (crosses fingers)
Is there a prize for first pictures?
It looks like a 3 Hour drive.Fort Wayne to Columbus is usually 1 day shipping! (crosses fingers)
Is there a prize for first pictures?
You might inquire about local pickup...
Sorry, but I am booked through the end of the year.
My bad; I thought that said butthead.
Cute...
Yes, its called "getting your stuff before everyone else"Fort Wayne to Columbus is usually 1 day shipping! (crosses fingers)
Is there a prize for first pictures?
Yes. It's the chance to start playing immediately after said photo shoot ends. Perhaps Bruce will design a medal with a dog wearing a 4-leaf clover, the "lucky dog" award. If he designs it right, the rest of us could confuse the clover with diseased lesions and refer to it at the, "Scurvy Dawg" award.Fort Wayne to Columbus is usually 1 day shipping! (crosses fingers)
Is there a prize for first pictures?
Edit - David beat me by seconds to the real answer. Dang Net Ninja!
Actually I think that Eric or possibly Eric's better half Susan has been designing the medals of late.Yes. It's the chance to start playing immediately after said photo shoot ends. Perhaps Bruce will design a medal with a dog wearing a 4-leaf clover, the "lucky dog" award. If he designs it right, the rest of us could confuse the clover with diseased lesions and refer to it at the, "Scurvy Dawg" award.
Edit - David beat me by seconds to the real answer. Dang Net Ninja!
Too bad I can't get a rel who lives in Fort Wayne to do the pickup...
On the upside, if someday I can somehow bamboozle Ares into hiring me as a fulltime research/office assistant based out of their Fort Wayne warehouse I at least have a pre-established base of operations... even though it does mean having to somehow get 11 miles PAST the end of the bus line. LOL
Can someone give me a link to where this was stated?
I can't remember where it was posted here, but its been raised in other wargaming KS projects. Here's a link to the recent Cthulthu one:
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.p...3349#msg653349
Specifically:
"Good news for our European backers!
After consulting with several logistics companies, we are happy to announce that we will be able to help you save money on import taxes. Because pledges on Kickstarter are explicitly for the "funding of a project in a pre-retail environment," we can ship our products to you with a declared commercial value equal to the core manufacturing cost, rather than your full pledge amount. This should save a lot on any VAT taxes which may apply.
So it's the 19th,
Anyone see any sails on the horizon?
Are there any new mooring lines at the dock?
I assume the container holding the Ares stuff has been decked out with a Nelson checker, gilded stern, and figurehead of Lord St. Vincent for easy identification?
Perhaps. but possibly at least the name of the ship it is on should be known.
I really need to know what Ares mentioned this in the KS.
From memory Roberto said something like "ok we will sort it out" so it may be best to check wuth him. If he isn't or hasn't I hope he does :)
The post I was referring to was this one by David in April (had to dig it up):
http://www.sailsofglory.org/showthre...AT-Development
I can't find (and remember) any comment or post from Ares directly. But Davids last post suggests he has been talking to Ares about this.
I haven't found where Roberto or Ares mentioned anything about a solution to the VAT/import issues and talking with Roberto, he can't recall it either.
While there has been much discussion of this on this board and others about this but I have not been able to find anything definitive, and nothing specifically from Ares, either.
Just drop a line to the Cthulhu guys if you are worried about it. They've done the homework.
I'm sure they have for their project and location. I would not assume that those same things would apply to Ares and their game.
No, I wouldn't assume, but I'd check. The example cited was, after all, concerning material being imported into the EU which is the same situation as SGN.
Not quite. One is importing into the EU from the UK, the other the US. I'm not so sure there is a difference there, but there every will could be. Also, the shipping, custom and tax laws are quite different for UK based companies then companies based out of Italy... that I'm pretty positive on.
All I'm saying is just because one company says they can do something with their KS, does not mean another company can do the same.
Come live in Tax happy NJ!! 7% sales tax, income tax and property tax that is a minimum of 25% of yearly mortgage payments.... Oh and all the new fees because local government and schools need a loophole around a useless 2% property tax cap law.
NJ: Taxes of Glory
Maybe we should have had a "Who will get their package last" competition as well...
No, the Cthulhu game is shipping from the US to the EU, so the circumstances are the same and hence the same rules ought to apply.
All come under EU law, which covers import taxes and is therefore consistent (details such as VAT rates and handling charges may differ from country to country, but the essential tax law itself covers the act of shipping materiel in to the European Union and applies throughout).Also, the shipping, custom and tax laws are quite different for UK based companies then companies based out of Italy
Makes New Jersey look not so bad.
So UK based companies fall under the same tax laws as Croatia? I'm not expert, but that is news to me. From what I understand, the burden is on the tax side for the company doing the KS. So if those laws say they can't deflate the costs, which Ares says is the case, then they can't. I'm sure any company can declare the value lower than the actual cost (I do at AA, but for internally different reasons), but that is far from standard practice.
And y'all wonder *why* some of us sail under the Jolly Roger? >;)
It seems the new word for Pirate is, EU.
Personality fault!!
Nonsense, don't be so picky! The word for pirate has been and always will be bureaucracy.
Arrrgh, they're even WORSE--at least WE cut out the red tape and let you get on your way, AND leave you with cool stories to tell your kids and grandkids. LOL
But people keep voting those Demoncrats into office. Whoops, that's a political statement. Forget I said that.
Just got it!
Oh wait, that was the Kickstarter Dwarven Forge stuff... all 14 kg of it.
Just got it!
Oh wait, that's the Kickstarter OGRE stuff.. the package is the size of a small suitcase.
They deserve a prize for waiting the longest or at the very least a pint.
Internal tax law is of course different in each sovereign nation. But thats not what we are talking about. When it comes to imports into the EU the policy is centrally administered from Brussels. Its not a case of deflating the costs (which, IIRC, is illegal). It is a case of applying the appropriate cost. Sandy Petersen's team have taken advice on what that appropriate cost is. Its the appropriate cost for games materials including miniatures that are the product of a Kickstarter being imported into the EU from the US . And the advice they received was that the appropriate cost was the declared commercial value equal to the core manufacturing cost.
I would be rather surprised if Mr Petersen (a renowned member of the gaming community of extremely long standing) and co. would be doing anything that would risk the legal standing of their company. I am extremely pleased for their supporters in the EU that they have put effort into researching import charges and determined a cost saving. I would be amazed if the rules covering the import of Sandy's game with miniatures was any different to those covering Ares' game with miniatures. Perhaps a simple email to Sandy asking for a copy of the advice he was given would be a good thing. I'm sure he'd be happy to help out a fellow gaming company. And I'm sure Ares' backers for whom this could potentially save a significant amount of money (that they could of course spend on more ships when they are available) would also be happy.
Having sent some WoG planes to Australia, I cannot imagine the shipping bill for this one. Dwarven Forge makes some nice stuff. I am amazed at cons when I see some of the dungeon setups.
Has anyone done this yet? I don't think there is much time left for Ares to adjust before shipping.
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Pledge $175 or more
3 SETS (DUNGEON GRAY): Gamer Rewards + 3 Game Tiles sets (42 straight walls, 36 floors, 18 corner walls, 6 swinging doors). These pieces come ready to use, infused (inside and out) with Dwarven Forge “Dark Dungeon Gray” color. You can also customize with your own dry brush color. Your $175 pledge includes FREE shipping and handling ($30 value) within the USA. (International recipients are responsible for any applicable import fees.)
Estimated delivery: Oct 2013
Add $100 USD to ship outside the US
Plus...
And another $45 shipping for those - total $145 shipping, $245 for the tiles.
To paraphrase the man in _Point Break_: "Your cargo's insured, so it's not worth dying for." >:)
I think it will not reach Germany so soon, but I'm shure I'll get the two ordered ships from AA before I get my SoG game.Might as well start placing bets and jockeying for position. Who will be the first member to receive their box of goodies first?Any guesses?
HA! Agreed mate
Never heard of this contest. Had to Google it.
Thanks Andy for this eye appealing information.
I haven't been on for awhile but see they will be shipping soon so hope to see who is the first.
So we should be about a third of the way through the "truck phase" of the shipping to Ft Wayne.
Has anyone heard if the ship has been unloaded?
TRUCK phase? I'd have expected, with the sheer amount of STUFF we preordered, that's gonna be at least a few TEU's*... enough to fill several containers and thus be more convenient to move by rail.
Problem THERE becomes the Belt Railway of Chicago and its holding yards... I've known of coast-to-coast shipments that took longer to cross JUST CHICAGO on the BRC than the entire rest of the country. Which helps explain why back in the day New York Central and Milwaukee Road jointly built their OWN outer belt-line (the Indiana Harbor Belt) that let them, and anyone else interested in paying for IHB's services, bypass the BRC completely...
*Twenty-foot Equivalent Unit, a measurement of container capacity equivalent to a 20'-long semi-trailer.
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