It is done. I have finished my Russian fleet. I hope you like them.
Be safe
Rory
Rory's Russian Fleet
It is done. I have finished my Russian fleet. I hope you like them.
Be safe
Rory
A truly impressive fleet, Rory! Thanks for sharing the photos. The wreck turned out really well!
Which engagements are you going to be recreating with this fleet? Be sure to post those photos whenever those battles take place.
Very nice Rory. Much bigger photos than in your e-mail. The wreck looks good. I like your Toulon tower on the shore too. Now if I can just get my Dutch fleet finished........
She is a beautifully done fleet, Rory. The amount of time you must have spent on rigging kind of boggles my mind. Will we see some future pics of these in battle?
Well done, my Friend. :hats off:
When I saw these photos in your email, you made up my mind concerning the first round of Tumbling Dice minis; they will be Russian. Afterwards, I realized they will coincide with GMT's upcoming release of Blue Cross, White Ensign. Thanks for the inspiration.
Fantastic fleet Rory, you continue to impress with fine work.
Great fleet, Rory.
One point: The dismasted ship looks funny.
I think the enemy carronades cleared the deck before they aimed at the masts.
Admiral of the fleets. Rory you've outdone yourself.
They have! last Monday. But this dummy forgot his camera! It was against the French on an English shore-line (who hated both fleets). We had 6 turns and no winner. I would love to play against Vol's Dutch fleet. Maybe one dayOriginally Posted by Nightmoss
One day, Vol. One day
If I remember my camera, I'm sorry for the inspiration. The Russians are all black and white. At the end I started to hate them.
Thank you, Daniel.
You are right. After painting her I thought she need more. I added the stringing? I think it still looks wrong.Great fleet, Rory.
One point: The dismasted ship looks funny.
I think the enemy carronades cleared the deck before they aimed at the masts.
Think you, Paul. I thought I had lost you as a friend, I'm glad it is not so.Admiral of the fleets. Rory you've outdone yourself.
Be safe, to you all
Rory
Rory,
I see from earlier posts you have made that you have the book, Russian Warships in the age of sail; Design construction careers and fates. Are all Russian ships in black and white, to your knowledge, I have seen info that suggests that some had green hulls?
From TMP
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=180515
Were any painted Green with White stripes that you know of, or was this a later occurrence or even a result of fading paint and poor colour reproduction?
rabbit
I don't remember where but, I remember reading that they were painted a dark green with white stripes.
When I get time, I'll give mine a little darker wash. Along with other improvements.
Ed, where did you get the furled driver sail for this ship? I've not seen one before from any of the different makers.I don't remember where but, I remember reading that they were painted a dark green with white stripes.
When I get time, I'll give mine a little darker wash. Along with other improvements.
Vol
Nice ship, Ed. I like the studded sails!I don't remember where but, I remember reading that they were painted a dark green with white stripes.
When I get time, I'll give mine a little darker wash. Along with other improvements.
Hi Rab,
I would stand by this above book. The cover shows laid-up ships of the Russian fleet 1851. Lots of black and white. In 1696 Peter 1st became sole ruler of Russian. He made a number of reforms to the Russian fleets. He opened 2 maritime academies, established a new system of schools to teach navigation. He replaced the white dress uniform for dark green. He also set a uniformed colour for Russian war ships of white on black. So between around 1697? to 1851 is a lot of black and white. We know sea water can change colours. Maybe one or two ships had different colours, I don't know?
Hi Eric,
I rig as I showed in my thread. Langton's method "ish"
This is only my 3rd wrecked ship. The rigging on this one looks like spray crazy string, not good. But I do like the sails on this one. I'm learning too. I will not re-do this one, as it is just a marker. I plan to make a number of them min 2 for each fleet. I hope to get better each time
Hi Ed,I don't remember where but, I remember reading that they were painted a dark green with white stripes.
When I get time, I'll give mine a little darker wash. Along with other improvements.
I love your ships. You must fix them. Please see above about colours
Be safe to you all
Rory
Rab,
I cannot open your named TMP thread. Can you give me Date and thread name of this please. So I can look at it.
Be safe
Rory
Rory, the TMP thread is in the “ Napoleonic Naval Painting Guides Message Board!
"Painting Russian ships" Topic topic title
First post by fleabeard 28 Sep 2009 1:22 p.m. PST
Last post by rabbit (yes it is) 15 Feb 2012 12:55 p.m. PST
Type Russian ships into the search function and it should be one of the ones that comes up.
Good luck.
If I had such a tome, I too would follow its word so Black and white they will be unless someone comes up with a different source.
Interesting Quote from Admiral Lazarev …
Is the book Russian?, (it does not look as though it is) I have two copies of the same Russian uniform book, a buddy has a third, yet the colour plates in each book vary dramatically, even though they were all nominally the same print run...
rabbit
Rory, another way to find http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=180515 is to use a search engine like Bing, and type in Painting Russian ships.
It's the position of the sails that cover the whole ship like a shroud.
If the mast is hit, it falls to one direction and pulls the sail to that direction, too.
I can imagine that one of the sails is shot off with a lucky hit, falling down on the deck and covers parts of the deck, but not three sails at once and the same time.
The crew would immediately try to get rid of this sail, that blocks the line of sight, movement on deck and some gunports.
But this is only a little notice. The fleet looks great.
Hi Sven,
I liked the falling sails bit. And got carried away with them. I was thinking of the paintings of the end-game of the battle of Trafalgar with all the ships dismasted and just hulls.
But you are right. I'm learning as I go too. I like that folks look and see and comment on my ships. It is O.K. with me. The next one will be better. I hope! But not yet, I'm doing a 7 ship fleet of merchantman
Be safe
Rory
Rory:
Nice work. Looks like you used Langton's rigging method, is that right?
On the wrecked ship I might suggest removing some of the rigging lines and sails if you can. The rigging would look better attached to the corners of the sails and trailing off in the water. I think some of the wreckage would have been carried off still attached to the masts. Maybe a bit of "less is better" if you will.
Eric
Ed, this is a very nice ship. I hope it wasn't one of the ones that was damaged previously.
Rabbit, I believe it is you who posted this link of Russian ships on TMP. Good stuff here: http://windgammers.narod.ru/Korabli5.html
Posted in error.
Yep, sorry to say it was.
An indicator of how my brain works: Every time I look at the pics of those ships, I hear the old "nWo" theme music from the days of World Championship Wrestling....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBaYhIaA7U8
Must be the black-and-white.... :)
I just looked at the dust cover of my copy of RUSSIAN WARSHIPS in the AGE of SAIL 1696-1860 and it shows Dark Green sides with white stripes.
Hi Ed,
Dark green rails and dark green bottoms yes. The rails are green. the lower part looks to me like old copper gone green. the sides seem black and white to me. Page 28 of the book tells of the ships colour. Look at my copy in my album and thread "The Russians are coming".
Be safe
Rory
Very odd that my copy shows only one black stripe just above the waterline and the rest dark green with white stripes. It might my cover was the end of the cover run and the ink was starting to fade. Yes I read the 5th paragraph of page 28 but, I wonder if all Russian ships could have been repainted in his short 5 year reign, if it was even implemented.
Please see http://my.erinet.com/~bp/pt_napnv.ht...al_Ship_Colors showing green hull & white stripes by Ray Trochim.
Last edited by Gunner; 09-19-2013 at 03:51.
Interesting link, Ed. Thanks for sharing it.
I think this discussion illustrates that our knowledge and understanding of history is always incomplete, and this discrepancies are not uncommon.
From a gaming point-of-view, do you recommend keeping fleets uniform in color, or is some variation acceptable in not causing confusion for players? I am not an experienced AoS mini player, and the traditional hex-and-chit games I have played basically use single national colors.
Hi Eric,
One would think that after 200 years there would be a definitive book on ship colors of the Napoleonic wars. Too bad Osprey publishing doesn't push for a Naval Ship colors of the Napoleonic wars series and list the different sources (with color pictures).
As for me, I'll stick with the Nelson checker for the British at Trafalgar, and for my Russians, Dark Green with white stripes (there's no mistaking my Russians on the seas of battle).
I'm curious if this is a case of black paint fading and appearing green.
Hi David (Dave),
Maybe? The Russians did not look after there ships well. They had a very short life 10 to 15 years only. Not like the rest of the navies of this time. Some in service for 40 years plus (not always in the same navy). Black would go greenish after some time. So this could be the answer to all of this part of this thread.
Be safe
Rory
That's ok.
French 80-gun ship-of-the-line Bucentaure at Trafalgar.
That's what I ment with masts and sails.
Thanks Sven
Be safe
Rory
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