Rorys step by step guild to painting and rigging

[Devsdoc]

For a moment I was thinking "Man, he's really gone Hardcore with this -- talking like someone from the period...." ;)

No Chris,
Just told I was dumb for over 30 years. I got into 17th century Surgery. I made myself a pain by asking lots of people in the know for help. One night they got together (with Jane my partner) and cornered me at a party. Saying that I knew more than they did about Barber-Surgeon's, and told me to write it all down. They helped me for over 1, 1/2 years. No one laughed at my s##t writing, just helped line by line, page by page. They got it published for me in the end. This is before I had a computer. I cannot tell you how much that helped me. I now do talks at the Royal College of Surgeons (London) and go around schools and museums doing talks. I did a display at the opening of the new Mary Rose museum this year. I hope you understand Chris, you hurt me. I see so many spelling mistakes on this site, no one say's a thing. Just you to me. I only wish to help people in a way I can. As I was helped in the past. It is hard work, Chris, trying to show something in away That all of you can understand, which for me is hard to do. The only help I'm getting, is from Vol. Just say Chris, and I will be happy to stop.
Be safe
Rory

[csadn]

I hope you understand Chris, you hurt me.

No insult was meant -- I actually thought you were going for an old-style phrasing. My mistake. Apologies.

[Devsdoc]

No insult was meant -- I actually thought you were going for an old-style phrasing. My mistake. Apologies.

Hi Chris,
I would love to phrase well, in old, new or new ago style. I over reacted, it is one of my soft spots my writing. I thank you for your apology and I too apologise for my out burst.
Be safe
Rory

[Gunner]

I'm glad we're back to playing nice.

[Berthier]

Rory
Your posts have been remarkably clear and helpful to newbies (amongst whom I count myself) to ship building, painting and rigging. Whatever you have written and however it has been written has so evidently been a labour of love that no-one would dream to criticise your efforts which have been detailed and fascinating. Keep it up and know we appreciate the time this must be taking you. I would have thought by recording the process you have more than doubled your build time, so again well done

[Devsdoc]

Hi Shipmates,
So we are coming to the end of this thread. Maybe two or three more posts and it is done. I have two problems, the space between the mizzen and the main mast and the rigging you have already done. You must weave the thread through the rigging as best you can. Do bit at a time and see how it lays. I find I must pull the thread out and go a different way a number of times. By this time you will be better at handling the thread, so it is not so hard as you think. And that British ships are different from other nations. As this is a Russian ship that is the way I'm going, but I will talk about the British ships later.
Knot thread to mizzen topsail yardarm pull and add glue.



Go forward to the opposite side main mast between the mast and rat line at the fighting top and go under the maintop sail.



Go around the main mast and back under the standing rigging and maintop again. This time go on the out side of the rat line to the crossjack. Add glue to the arm pull, loop thread around arm.



Go up behind the mizzen topsail and around the mizzen mast and down the opposite side. Add glue to the crossjack, pull and loop around the arm.



Go forward to the main mast, going on opposite side and the out side of the rat lines go under the maintop sail and standing rigging again. Go under the maintop and back between the mast and rat line. Go up to the mizzen topsail yardarm. Add glue to the arm, pull and loop around arm.



Go up behind the mizzen topgallant, around the front of the mizzen mast.



Going behind the topgallant again the back to where we started this run. Add glue to the arm, pull and loop around arm.



Knot, pull and glue to the mizzen topgallant yardarm.



Go to the main mast opposite side and under the main topgallant sail and the top and standing rigging.



Back to the opposite mizzen topgallant yardarm. Add glue to arm, pull and loop around arm.



Go to the top of the mast add glue to the top of the mast and loop around. TIP If the standing rigging is loose wrap the thread around it too, to tighten it.



Going back to the start of this run. Add glue to the arm, pull and loop around arm.



Cut away extra thread and the main part is done.
Be safe
Rory

[Cmmdre]

Intense at that scale. You're really throwing down an excellent tutorial Rory.

[Devsdoc]

So, this is the rigged ship. She is not finished, but well on the way. I will do that in the next post.







As said before the British are different. I have no British ships to rig. I will try to tell you how!
The British rigged the mizzen mast back. To the top arm of the spanker. I rigged the Russian ships mizzen mast in two runs. Two arms, the crossjack and the mizzen topsail, and one arm. The mizzen topgallant.
For the British, only do the crossjack like the Russian one, to the main mast. For the next two arms, topsail and topgallant. Do as for the Russian ship but go the end of the spanker top yardarm instead. Start at the topgallant go to the spanker and glue. From the spanker go to the topsail yardarm and glue (the one below). Go up behind the sail, around and down the opposite side glue etc. and back to the spanker and glue. Go to the opposite topgallant yardarm glue etc. Go to the top of the mast and glue. And back to the start of the run and glue.





Hope you understand the above.
Be safe
Rory

[Gunner]

Way to go Rory. I'll say it again, wish I had the skill or patience to fully rig my ships.

[Gaz67]

Agree with you 100% Gunner, I know if I attempted anything like this it would result in a big ball of thread glued to itself and lots of very very bad language...

[Devsdoc]

Way to go Rory. I'll say it again, wish I had the skill or patience to fully rig my ships.

Agree with you 100% Gunner, I know if I attempted anything like this it would result in a big ball of thread glued to itself and lots of very very bad language...

Ed, Gaz,
It was said today to Eric, and has been said by others and myself. Don't see it as a job, but as fun. Do a bit at a time and you will do it. I do not know why, but so many gamers think of sailing ships as a glass ceiling that cannot be crossed. If you have painted A figure or two, you can do a ship.
No one is going to look at it up close. Just think what David said " If it looks good at arms length, it will look good on the table" They are not for a museum, just to play with
Be safe
Rory

[Devsdoc]

So! my shipmates,
This is the 2nd to last post for me. I Added glue all around the ships bottom and glued it to the base. I have added paint to the sails to cover the thread at the bottom of the course and jib sails.



I made a gig for flag rigging. A piece of flat wood and two nails. It is long enough to do two flags



I tied running rigging thread to the gig with a single loop knot at each nail.



Cut out the flag, which I downloaded from this site. fold it in half and lay it through the thread.



Use paper glue and stick it down.



When dry undo the knots and take off the gig.



I added a spot of super glue to the top spanker arm. Making sure the flag is in the right way (to the bow) and as high as you can. loop the thread around the arm about 2 times.



Wait a minute or two. Add glue to the bottom arm of the spanker. Pull and loop around the arm two times.



When dry, cut off extra thread. I then re-paint the yardarm ends over the rigging, and around the tops where the rigging shows and looks wrong. (the running rigging more so)



The last bit is the remove the shiny bits left by the glue and not painted over. The thread around the bow and bow sprit, top and bottom of the rat-lines and around the joint of the hull and the base. Paint over these places with a Matt varnish.



So the ship is done.

Be safe
Rory

[Gunner]

Agree with you 100% Gunner, I know if I attempted anything like this it would result in a big ball of thread glued to itself and lots of very very bad language...

Gaz, don't forget the part about having more glue on your fingers than you have on the ship.

[7eat51]

Absolutely fascinating, informative, and invaluable. Thank you Rory.

[Rabbit]

And to think I spent most of today looking at this and other sites seeing how to affix a flag

I had visions of drilling yet another hole in the model to stick a pin in.

I should be more patient!, Impatience is not a good start point for trying to emulate this work

thank you again

Rabbit

[Devsdoc]

Shipmates It is done. I hope this helps you as it is, or in part. I to have leant a lot. How to take better photos (Sorry for the bad ones) of my ships. I have also leant not to be so sensitive about my short comings (Sorry! and thanks Chris ). For my old friend Vol, thanks for your Ideas and help. Eric, a good new friend, thanks. You are a bl##dy good crew to sail with. over 2000 hits. O.K. half from me.
So we have gone from this.



To this.







She now sails off to join the rest of my Russian Fleet.



Only one more frigate to paint and rig and the running rigging on the "Venera" to do. Oh! and a wreck
Be safe
Rory.

[Nightmoss]

Thanks Rory for the photos, tips and your time in explaining in great detail what goes into building these mins. :g&t::g&t:

[Gunner]

Hi Rory,
Are you using the Selafail class ship to protect the fleet transporting Russian troops to Kronshtadt in 1814 or, off to fight the Turks in1828?

[Devsdoc]

Hi Rory,
Are you using the Selafail class ship to protect the fleet transporting Russian troops to Kronshtadt in 1814 or, off to fight the Turks in1828?

No Ed,
Off to warmer sea's, the Mediterranean and into battles at Dardanelles and Mount Athos 1807 And smack the Turks. I hope to see off the odd Swed on the way.
Be safe
Rory

[Nightmoss]

Rory, I have a running rigging question for you. The Langton book and you both mention the fact that British ships rigged the mizzen mast differently than the rest of the world. My question is how did the US rig the mizzen mast having formerly been a British colony? Did they maintain the British manner or did they go with the rest of the world? Thanks!

[Devsdoc]

Hi Jim,
I do not know. My head said as the rest, or Rod Langton would have said. My heart would like to think as the British. We must not forget that the French had a big say in the make-up of the U.S. military at this time. I would rig as the rest of the world. Who said the British way was the best.
Be safe
Rory

[Devsdoc]

Hi All,
If you have been with me from the start of this thread. You will know I started with one ship and finished with a second one. So to finish off this thread I have added the here the finished first ship.







My wish is this thread will give you the push, to have a go yourself.
Be safe
Rory

[Gunner]

My wish is this thread will give you the push, to have a go yourself.
Be safe
Rory

As much as I enjoyed your post, with a bunch of ships to repair and eight under way, I need brakes, not gas.

[Nightmoss]

The only thing better than ships, is more ships. More gas!!

[Devsdoc]

As much as I enjoyed your post, with a bunch of ships to repair and eight under way, I need brakes, not gas.

The only thing better than ships, is more ships. More gas!!

BROOM! BROOM!

[Nightmoss]

BROOM! BROOM!

What he said ^

[Pseudotheist]

Oh my... The brass ratlines just arrived, so I hunted down this thread to see about rigging one of mine, and none of the pictures are loading for me. Have these images all been lost? That would be a great shame.

[Nightmoss]

Try accessing the resurrected information via The Miniatures Page. Actually Vol has restored and linked them on his blog. It's almost done, but still some of the running rigging to go.

http://volsminiatures.blogspot.com/2...-guide-to.html
http://volsminiatures.blogspot.com/2...ide-to_18.html
http://volsminiatures.blogspot.com/

[mdavis41]

This article sounds very interesting. However, all I see of the images is a totally black box, I can only read the text. How do I see the images?

[Devsdoc]

This article sounds very interesting. However, all I see of the images is a totally black box, I can only read the text. How do I see the images?

Hi Michael and Todd,
Thanks for your interest in my thread. Alas all the photos were lost in the big hack. I have ask a number of times for it to be re done here. I have waited and had no reply so if you go to T.M.P. Napoleonic naval board, look for "Rory's Guide" it will take you to Vols blog of my Guide. or see Jim's post above yours.
Be safe
Rory

[Ducky]

I ordered a handdrill and some .3mm drillbits so I can start with the rigging mayhem next week.
Does somebody have the complete diagram from langton?
That would be a great help in combination with rory's guide

[Nightmoss]

I ordered a handdrill and some .3mm drillbits so I can start with the rigging mayhem next week.
Does somebody have the complete diagram from langton?
That would be a great help in combination with rory's guide

Thijs, Keith has a simple guide to masts and sails here, so along with Rory's guides you should be good to go. http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...mast-and-sails

[7eat51]

I imagine we'll see Rory's Guide back up here sometime after Origins. I know Keith has been working on several projects and some problems with the AA store. With Origins in less than two weeks, I think all hands are on that deck.

[Volunteer]

I finally got around to posting the 2nd half of Rory's running rigging guide on the blogsite if anyone is interested.

[Nightmoss]

Thanks for the update Vol. I saw it on TMP too.

[7eat51]

Thank you, Vol. Rory created a very fine How To.