Spanish 112 Gun--Langton Miniature--Ready for Rigging/Touch-Up

[Nightmoss]

I hope it's OK to start another thread on my second Langton 1/1200 miniature build? If not, feel free to move it to the other build thread on the Montanes I started a while back.

Just finished putting the masts into the 112 gun Spanish ship I purchased from Waterloo Minis as a squadron pack, so I thought a few pictures would help point out some areas the need paint and/or if the masts, etc. all look proper. It's amazing what the camera can show you that your eyes completely miss.

Here are a few. I'll post more when the ship is on the base and I have the standing rigging done.

[Whitejamest]

Really lovely work Jim, I look forward to seeing it with the rigging too. You're going to have a beautiful fleet in no time!

[Devsdoc]

Nice one Jim, I'm looking forward to seeing the ship rigged.
Be safe
Rory

[Nightmoss]

Thanks guys! Your work has provided a lot of the inspiration to continue building the fleet. When SoG finally ships, I'll be buried and instantly up to 3 nations. Can't wait!

[Cmmdre]

Admiral of the fleet. Great paint job Jim.

[Naharaht]

An excellent paint job, Jim.

Is 112 guns the largest number of cannons ever placed on a sailing ship?

[David Manley]

An excellent paint job, Jim.

Is 112 guns the largest number of cannons ever placed on a sailing ship?

Santissima Trinidad shipped 144

[Gunner]

Where do all you great painters come from??? Beautiful hull.

[Nightmoss]

Santissima Trinidad shipped 144

And that's the next ship I'll be doing after this one! Woo Hoo!

[calm]

Nice paint job !

I think I don't hve the skills need to do such work

Great work !!!

[Comte de Brueys]

Nice detail work, Jim.

[7eat51]

Beautiful work Jim.

What type of magnifying device do you use? My wife just started, and I will start, to paint minis, so I am collecting supplies.

And that's the next ship I'll be doing after this one! Woo Hoo!

I cannot wait to see your work on this one.

[Devsdoc]

I love your work Jim. Thanks for showing me up. I'm camera less for now, which makes me feel better.
Be safe
Rory

[Nightmoss]

Beautiful work Jim.

What type of magnifying device do you use? My wife just started, and I will start, to paint minis, so I am collecting supplies.



I cannot wait to see your work on this one.

Thanks Eric!

I'm extremely near sighted, so basically I take off my glasses and work with the model about 4 inches from my face. I put on safety glasses if I'm using anything that might be toxic, but for acrylic paints that's not so much an issue.

[Nightmoss]

I love your work Jim. Thanks for showing me up. I'm camera less for now, which makes me feel better.
Be safe
Rory

No! Don't you have friends/family with cameras? I want to see more Russian ships and large sea battles by your ports and forts!

[7eat51]

I am sorry to hear about the nearsightedness. Since I started teaching and working on computers throughout the day, my eyesight has suffered.

Jim, the fact that you do not use magnification increases the impressiveness of your work.

[Nightmoss]

I am sorry to hear about the nearsightedness. Since I started teaching and working on computers throughout the day, my eyesight has suffered.

Jim, the fact that you do not use magnification increases the impressiveness of your work.

It's really not a big deal. I've been wearing glasses since I was five. I can still wear contacts, although I'm at the top of the range of what they can make. The big deal is the cataracts that have started in both eyes. It comes with age, but my concern is when they do have to do the surgery it may impact my hobbies.

[Devsdoc]

It's really not a big deal. I've been wearing glasses since I was five. I can still wear contacts, although I'm at the top of the range of what they can make. The big deal is the cataracts that have started in both eyes. It comes with age, but my concern is when they do have to do the surgery it may impact my hobbies.

Jim,
I know of 100's of people who have had cataract surgery. Yes! 1 or 2 have had small problems. Most say they see better. Over 1/2 now see without glasses. You would be so unlucky to have a problem, and then it is mostly no change. Thinking of you.
Be safe
Rory

[7eat51]

my concern is when they do have to do the surgery it may impact my hobbies.

Jim, if you don't mind, please let us know when such a surgery is scheduled. You will have an entire community here wishing you well.

[Nightmoss]

Jim,
I know of 100's of people who have had cataract surgery. Yes! 1 or 2 have had small problems. Most say they see better. Over 1/2 now see without glasses. You would be so unlucky to have a problem, and then it is mostly no change. Thinking of you.
Be safe
Rory

Thanks Rory. My Mother has had this surgery and claims much better vision, as you say. The folks at the clinic personally want to have the surgery so they can dump their glasses. Pretty amazing what they can do!

Jim, if you don't mind, please let us know when such a surgery is scheduled. You will have an entire community here wishing you well.

As it turns out the eye doc continues to push back the surgery because he wants both eyes to be similarly affected so they can do each at close intervals. He's been doing this for about two years now. Who knows when he'll make the call, but I can let folks here know for sure. It has less impact on my painting and modeling, but more on playing games (they make the print too damn small on the cards and sheets for me to read without using old man reading glasses!)

[7eat51]

they make the print too damn small on the cards and sheets for me to read without using old man reading glasses

You are in very good company.

I just bought some WWII tactical games that have significantly larger counters and hexagons. Besides being quite beautiful, actually, they are much easier on the eyes.

[Walram]

Jim, I had cataract surgery in one eye a little over a year ago, and I can now get back into painting figures. I had collected 17 GHQ ships that I'm starting to paint now and I don't need to wear glasses. Don't know the odds but it was definitely worth it to me.

[Nightmoss]

Jim, I had cataract surgery in one eye a little over a year ago, and I can now get back into painting figures. I had collected 17 GHQ ships that I'm starting to paint now and I don't need to wear glasses. Don't know the odds but it was definitely worth it to me.

Hi David,
Thanks for the words of encouragement. It's good to hear of your positive results and when the doctor says it's time I'm sure I'll be ready.

[Devsdoc]

(they make the print too damn small on the cards and sheets for me to read without using old man reading glasses!)

Jim,
Your so called friends MAYBE printing the gaming cards and sheets smaller, saying "Its how they come in the game". TO STOP YOU WINNING.
Be safe
Rory

[Nightmoss]

Jim,
Your so called friends MAYBE printing the gaming cards and sheets smaller, saying "Its how they come in the game". TO STOP YOU WINNING.
Be safe
Rory

Oh, so it's a conspiracy!? They've found our weak spot and are capitalizing on it.

[Andy Blozinski]

Where do all you great painters come from???

Sometimes those guys in medical school party too hard and fail an exam. He coulda been a brain surgeon, but now he's painting sailing ship minis.

[Nightmoss]

Sometimes those guys in medical school party too hard and fail an exam. He coulda been a brain surgeon, but now he's painting sailing ship minis.

Mom always wanted a doctor in the family. Instead she's got a retired librarian who paints ships too small for most folks to see!

[Nightmoss]

Ok, I have the standing rigging just about done, along with the wave base and wooden base. Running rigging is next up and hopefully that wont take too long.

My dilemma now is what to name the ship? It was sent as a generic 112 gun Spanish ship. Langton Miniatures (via Waterloo Minis) sells a number of "named" ships, but this isn't one of them. So turning to the site I found previously I have picked out all the ships listed as 112 guns. I don't know if this list is comprehensive so if someone knows of other Spanish 112's please let me know.

http://www.todoababor.es/listado/index.htm

I'd like some input from the more knowledgeable community concerning which name might be the most realistic for the model I've got in hand? I was rather surprised to see the large number of SoL's the Spanish had at one time or another. I probably shouldn't have been, but it was very interesting to see.

Conde de Regla/Count of Regla
Príncipe de Asturias/Prince of Asturias
Purísima Concepción/Immaculate Conception
Reina Maria Luisa/Queen Maria Luisa
Real Carlos/King Carlos
Real Felipe/King Felipe (actually 108/110)
San Hermenegildo/San Hermenegildo
San Carlos/San Carlos
Mejicano/Mexican
Santa Ana/Santa Ana (one of the named Langton minis, which I just purchased)

Thanks!

[calm]

I think "Real" would be translated like "King" - Real Carlos to King Carlos or Charles.

[Nightmoss]

I think "Real" would be translated like "King" - Real Carlos to King Carlos or Charles.

Thanks Carlos. I've made the changes. One shouldn't rely so completely on Google translator, but that is, in fact, what I did.

[calm]

Thanks Carlos. I've made the changes. One shouldn't rely so completely on Google translator, but that is, in fact, what I did.

Don't mention it.

[Volunteer]

Jim,
Sorry I hadn't commented sooner, I haven't visited the site for a while. Your ship is gorgeous!. Simply perfect paint job. I am really looking forward to the rigged photos. I haven't done any Spanish ships yet. Would you mind if I used yours as inspiration and example of how to do it right?
Regards,
Vol

[SeaRoyal20]

@Nightmoss

Cataract surgery is quick and totally painless. I had both eyes done about 2 years ago. One eye is better, although still not too good even with glasses (massive astigmatism but think of the actual term). The other eye however is now crystal clear. It helps with the painting. Now if I could just figure out how to stop my hands from shaking!

[Nightmoss]

@Nightmoss

Cataract surgery is quick and totally painless. I had both eyes done about 2 years ago. One eye is better, although still not too good even with glasses (massive astigmatism but think of the actual term). The other eye however is now crystal clear. It helps with the painting. Now if I could just figure out how to stop my hands from shaking!

Thanks for the supportive information. I suspect the surgery will have to occur in the next year or so. Sorry, I have no recommendations for the shaking hands issue. There are some days when painting just isn't going to work for me, not so much shaking hands as overall agitation (read too much caffeine).

[Nightmoss]

Jim,
Sorry I hadn't commented sooner, I haven't visited the site for a while. Your ship is gorgeous!. Simply perfect paint job. I am really looking forward to the rigged photos. I haven't done any Spanish ships yet. Would you mind if I used yours as inspiration and example of how to do it right?
Regards,
Vol

Thanks Vol, for the really nice compliments. Running rigging is almost done, but it's not going as quickly as I'd hoped. As for the inspiration, you're welcome to use this ship as you like, with the acknowledgement that I've used your ships, (and Rory's, James' and all the other great member paints in older posts) for my inspiration. Don't look too closely, it really isn't perfect. Far from it.

[Nightmoss]

Ship is almost complete. Just the flag, pennant and some touch up work on the water to do. Right now the ship is being epoxied to the base so I'm leaving it alone for a few hours. More photos when it's "done".

[Devsdoc]

Do I call you friend,Jim or hate you for the rest of my life.
Be safe
Rory

[Nightmoss]

Do I call you friend,Jim or hate you for the rest of my life.
Be safe
Rory

No room for anything but friends!

[csadn]

I think "Real" would be translated like "King" - Real Carlos to King Carlos or Charles.

Indeed -- every Californian knows this. :)

"El Camino Real" -- "King's Highway": The main Spanish road along the length of California.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cami...8California%29

[7eat51]

Another astounding ship. If I may ask, how long have you been at this? You are an inspiration.

[Volunteer]

The rigging turned out very nice. You must have gotten most of your inspiration from James and Rory. My ships are never this nice.

[Berthier]

Fantastic work, makes me even reluctant to try!:g&t:

[Nightmoss]

Except for some waterline detail and touch up on the rigging the ship is done. I decided to identify this one as the Príncipe de Asturias. That ship was at the Battle of Trafalgar, survived and went on for a number of years only to suffer a rather ignominious end (image included from website listed below).

Google translation from: http://www.todoababor.es/

In this battle of Trafalgar bore the insignia of Spanish squad leader, Lieutenant General Gravina, who was seriously injured in an elbow and whose wounds would die a year later in Cadiz. The Prince of Asturias had 50 dead and 110 injured. The Prince achieved the remains of ships gather survivors and after anchoring near Cadiz by temporary damming prdenó some vessels in sight. The Prince could not leave because of their status and entered Cadiz on October 27.

After the battle was subjected to heavy repairs from November 5. By putting the new masts were shortened sticks 3-4 feet, to improve stability. The March 4 was fully ready again. On April 9, hoisted her badge at the Lieutenant General Ignacio Maria de Alava, replacing the deceased Gravina. You are in command of the ships Prince, Terrible, San Justo, Highlander, San Leandro, San Fulgencio, Castile and the frigate Flora, all lacking food, clothing for crews, without money and spare parts.

During the Revolutionary War, in June 1808, served as Squad leader logo Ruiz de Apodaca, in the capture of the French ships that were in Cadiz: Heros, Neptune, Leon Blum, Argonaute, and the frigate cornelie Pluto.

At the request of the British government during the war against the French Regency decided that vessels could not be ready for combat will take place safer. So in September 1810 split the Santa Ana and the Prince of Asturias to Havana, arriving in November.

In the arsenal where he was born foundered for lack of buoyancy in 1814, and in 1817 he was ordered to desguaze sale. According to Salazar, in October 1834 were still sunk in the mud the Santa Ana and Prince. Sad end for two of the best ships of the Navy.

[Comte de Brueys]

Wonderful model, Jim.

Already gave you rep points for this beauty.

[Devsdoc]

No room for anything but friends!

Love your ships (both). And yes only friends.
Be safe
Rory

[Nightmoss]

I'm going to ask this question here so as not to start an unnecessary thread, and it concerns the relative accuracy of the 1/1200 ship models currently in production. I've searched the forums and found nothing beyond the comparison of SoG at 1/1000 to the existing 1/1200 models so I'm curious to hear back from folks like Vol, Rory, James, David, etc.

I decided to pick up a couple of the GHQ Micronauts to compare their models with the Langton ones I have. Specifically the Santissima Trinidad and the HMS Victory (still waiting on the Langton Victory to arrive). Casting on the GHQ models is very good (but the sails are pretty bad). Inclusion of the anchors and boats was an unexpected bonus. However, when you put the two models of the Trinidad side by side the Langton model is significantly longer and wider in the beam.

Does anyone know which of the two models is more accurate in regards to scale? Does the difference is size carry through on other ships models? They are both marketed as 1/1200 so it's primarily a curiosity thing on my part. Not a game breaker by any means. I wouldn't think this has anything to do with metric vs. imperial measurements, but maybe it does?

If anyone would like to see a photo comparison on the hulls I'd be happy to post a picture? Thanks!

[Devsdoc]

Jim,
Yes to the photo. Ask Vol or James. David once said when in doubt follow Rod Langton's plans
Be safe
Rory

[Nightmoss]

Here you go Rory. The Langton model has already been primed for painting so I hope that doesn't throw off the photos too much. I'll add a couple more observations. The weight of the Langton minis is much more substantial, which I definitely prefer for painting and handling. You'll also note that the stern detail on the two ships is considerably different. Pretty nice to see the lantern details on the GHQ model.

[Whitejamest]

Jim, beautiful work on the ship, it really looks fantastic. I like your basing too, the water color looks great, and I like the ship names.

As for GHQ vs. Langton, I think GHQ hulls have more detail and what they have is crisper (especially in the stern and bow ornamentation), and the proportions of the hulls are more accurate. I don't know which models are more perfectly in scale, like which Santissima Trinidad is exactly the right length for 1:1200, but the GHQ version is proportioned more like the actual ship. Don't get me wrong, I love Langton models too and especially use their detail sets all the time. The differences are relatively minor. We're talking about a millimeter here and there. They're both beautiful kits.

Hulls are only one issue of course. Then there's the issue of the sail sets and mast detail. Why GHQ's bowsprits are so simplified is a mystery to me........

[Nightmoss]

Jim, beautiful work on the ship, it really looks fantastic. I like your basing too, the water color looks great, and I like the ship names.

As for GHQ vs. Langton, I think GHQ hulls have more detail and what they have is crisper (especially in the stern and bow ornamentation), and the proportions of the hulls are more accurate. I don't know which models are more perfectly in scale, like which Santissima Trinidad is exactly the right length for 1:1200, but the GHQ version is proportioned more like the actual ship. Don't get me wrong, I love Langton models too and especially use their detail sets all the time. The differences are relatively minor. We're talking about a millimeter here and there. They're both beautiful kits.

Hulls are only one issue of course. Then there's the issue of the sail sets and mast detail. Why GHQ's bowsprits are so simplified is a mystery to me........

Thanks James, for the compliments and your feedback on the differences between the two manufacturers. I've looked at quite a few examples of Trinidad models (your GHQ build on TMP is pretty stellar btw), 3D CAD drawings and even a number of paintings and there does seem to be some debate on the actual stern appearance of the real ship if not other details of the hull. Found this wonderful sketch along with others for a study of the Battle at Trafalgar. http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/...rinidad-d05458

I like the GHQ model because of the detail as you mentioned, but also because I can model that at full sails if I want. Langton only offers the Trinidad in an 'at quarters' version, which means easy sails with courses furled to be a bit more realistic. I agree completely on the GHQ sails and I plan on using Langton sails on both the hulls. Again I noticed a difference in size between the GHQ and Langton sails. In this case the GHQ sails are larger than the Langton's?

It's probably overdoing it to have two Santissima Trinidad's, but I'm planning on completing both for the combined fleets. Cheers.