What Are National Iconic Ships?

[David Manley]

I did however read another book recently that covered the Baltic Age of Sail period pretty well and included the creation of Petersburg and the Russian Navy and its exploits in the Baltic, North Sea, Atlantic, Black Sea, and Mediterranean. It's called Naval Wars in the Baltic: During the Sailing-ship Epoch, 1522-1850 by Roger Charles Anderson.

A classic, as all of Mr Anderson's books are. Rare as hen's teeth (at least in the UK) and often with a price tag to match!

[Coog]

A classic, as all of Mr Anderson's books are. Rare as hen's teeth (at least in the UK) and often with a price tag to match!

I found an on-line copy:

http://archive.org/details/navalwarsinbalti00andeuoft

[Comte de Brueys]

The most famous German ships are WW II ones.

Panzerschiff Admiral Graf Spee



and

Schlachtschiff Bismarck

[Berthier]

The book covering the British Navy in the same series also looks very good, but like the one on the Russian Navy, quite pricy.

Attachment 4769

I have that one on order! Glad to hear it is worth the price, thanks Bobby

[Nightmoss]

Haven't looked here in a few days. Lots of great information has shown up. Thanks all for the links and info.

[tmon]

Using bookfinder.com you can save a couple dollars.

You're right Rory, if you can find a book that does cover everything on a subject in which you are really interested, it is well worth the price, since it is rare to find such a book. Usually my problem is I can't find such a book on the subjects I really like and do find them on subjects in which I'm only mildly interested. (I guess they don't have a book in the series on the French Navy as you can refer to book on the British Navy.)

[Coog]

Using bookfinder.com you can save a couple dollars.

I had not heard of bookfinder.com before. I checked it out and it looks like a good tool for finding books. Thanks for posting!

[csadn]

Not to mention the fact that the French kept renaming their ships. Some ships were renamed almost every time they returned from a cruise. Very confusing.

Well, many of the ships names had "aristo" connections; naturally, the Revolutionaries would change them.

One example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...doc_%281766%29 .

I had not heard of bookfinder.com before. I checked it out and it looks like a good tool for finding books. Thanks for posting!

I know tmon from elsewhere -- if there's a bargain to be found, he knows where it is (and that is a compliment). :)

[Devsdoc]

Rory, I meant ships, not crews. :o As a general rule, I usually talk the hardware more than the meatware, since it's where my comfort zone lies and thus my knowledge base builds faster...

I wouldn't expect one within the "Start Up" timeframe, I'm just saying unless the plug gets pulled or Andrea or somebody else sez "Never Gonna Happen," don't count 'em out. Don't bet the wad on it either, but...

Hi Diamondback,
I love the hardware/meatware thing I will use that line
Be safe
Rory

Given the nature of ship design and the very high degree of commonality between ships of different nations let alone ships from different yards and designers within the same country you will be able to put a Russian fleet (or almost anyone else's for that matter - standfast the Swedes "Archipelago Fleet" types for example) from whats out there, or likely to be out there over the next few years, with only a minor repaint or maybe a small bit of filing of stern galleries. They won't be 100% correct, but pretty close and from more than 12" away indistinguishable from what they are meant to be if outfitted with a Russian ensign. I think encountered my first 1/1200 Russian "fleet" sometime around about 1989, made up entirely of British, Russian and Spanish models painted and flagged appropriately

Hi David,
We do not always see eye to eye. But on this one we sing from the same hymn sheet
Be safe
Rory

[Blas de Lezo]

In Argentina, one of the most famous is the Hercules, under the command of the Admiral William Brown fought in the Argentinian independence war.
Even its tragic end (it was confiscate by the English) it remain a symbol of the firsts Argentinian Naval Victories.

[Zembar]

In Sweden, except for the obvious Vasa, I think it has to be Kronan. But we have a pretty long naval tradition.

If they indeed add Barbary corsairs as they've said, I'm expecting some Swedish frigates for the First Barbary War, to go along with the US ones.

[Berthier]

Welcome Henrik to the Anchorage, please feel free to introduce yourself in the welcome aboard section of the anchorage
http://sailsofglory.org/forumdisplay...Welcome-Aboard

glad to have you here:g&t:

[Berthier]

That's a very interesting article about the Kronan of which I was not familiar. I have seen the Wasa (Vasa) in Stockholm about thirty years ago and it was truly impressive but this more recently found ship sounds quite fascinating. Her sinking has parallels with the Mary Rose of Henry VIII time. In this latter case if I remember correctly (which is highly doubtful) she was greatly over gunned and top heavy and heeled over when turning in a wind, water rushed into her open lower gun ports (she was in battle) and the instability, like Kronan, could not be rectified. The injuries described in the wiki report to the sailors on Kronan are also interesting, in the case of the Mary Rose the shifting of the guns and various large objects in the ship caused many deaths and injuries to the crew as she sank and this may explain some of those seen on the Kronan although the description of the type of wounds is not entirely consistent. A great article to point out to us

[Nightmoss]

I had not heard of bookfinder.com before. I checked it out and it looks like a good tool for finding books. Thanks for posting!

Bobby,

Not sure what you normally use, but here are some others beyond bookfinder.com that we'd often use in the library when trying to track down used titles for replacement:

http://www.abebooks.com/?cm_sp=TopNav-_-Browse-_-Logo
http://www.alibris.com/
http://www.powells.com/ (Powells is always on the pricey side)
http://www.biblio.com/

Cheers!

[Devsdoc]

In Sweden, except for the obvious Vasa, I think it has to be Kronan. But we have a pretty long naval tradition.

If they indeed add Barbary corsairs as they've said, I'm expecting some Swedish frigates for the First Barbary War, to go along with the US ones.

Hi Henrik,
I know it is the wrong place to do so, but Welcome!. Don't hit me but I'm doing the Russians now, but the Swedish fleet will follow.
Be safe
Rory

[Coog]

Bobby,

Not sure what you normally use, but here are some others beyond bookfinder.com that we'd often use in the library when trying to track down used titles for replacement:

http://www.abebooks.com/?cm_sp=TopNav-_-Browse-_-Logo
http://www.alibris.com/
http://www.powells.com/ (Powells is always on the pricey side)
http://www.biblio.com/

Cheers!

Thanks for the links. If you are not familiar with the Half Price Books chain, there are six stores in Wisconsin. I find a lot of used and new books at their stores at great prices. When in Dallas I go to their flagship store. It is much larger than their other stores and has a massive military history section. I've found a lot of out of print books there at very low prices. They do have an online store now. Here is a link to the locations with access to the online store:

http://www.hpb.com/stores/

[Zembar]

Hi Henrik,
I know it is the wrong place to do so, but Welcome!. Don't hit me but I'm doing the Russians now, but the Swedish fleet will follow.
Be safe
Rory

Russians eh? That's great, but then you'll need even more Swedes for them to fight!

Anyway, I was mainly referring to Ares and the SoG line... Whatever people do on their own time is all good with me

[Coog]

Russians eh? That's great, but then you'll need even more Swedes for them to fight! :

Plus some Turks for good measure!

[Devsdoc]

Russians eh? That's great, but then you'll need even more Swedes for them to fight!

Anyway, I was mainly referring to Ares and the SoG line... Whatever people do on their own time is all good with me

Plus some Turks for good measure!

Look you two,
The plan, THE MASTER PLAN! is do the Russians High Sea Fleet. Then the Swedish HSF. Followed by the Army Fleets or In-Shore Fleet of both Countries. So! stop all this talk of "even more Swedes and Turks". Just leave me alone O.K.
Be safe
Rory

[Nightmoss]

Thanks for the links. If you are not familiar with the Half Price Books chain, there are six stores in Wisconsin. I find a lot of used and new books at their stores at great prices. When in Dallas I go to their flagship store. It is much larger than their other stores and has a massive military history section. I've found a lot of out of print books there at very low prices. They do have an online store now. Here is a link to the locations with access to the online store:

http://www.hpb.com/stores/

Thanks! We have two Half Price Books here in Madison, although they have a lot of competition from locally owned used bookstores. Then again, we've lost many due to the downturn in the economy and a general lack of interest in reading paper copy content. Digital is winning the hearts and minds of most folks now.

[acwmichbrig]

I wouldn't mind seeing some privateers, such as the Pride of Baltimore ...

[Cmmdre]

Bobby,

Not sure what you normally use, but here are some others beyond bookfinder.com that we'd often use in the library when trying to track down used titles for replacement:

http://www.abebooks.com/?cm_sp=TopNav-_-Browse-_-Logo
http://www.alibris.com/
http://www.powells.com/ (Powells is always on the pricey side)
http://www.biblio.com/

Cheers!

Thanks for the links. If you are not familiar with the Half Price Books chain, there are six stores in Wisconsin. I find a lot of used and new books at their stores at great prices. When in Dallas I go to their flagship store. It is much larger than their other stores and has a massive military history section. I've found a lot of out of print books there at very low prices. They do have an online store now. Here is a link to the locations with access to the online store:

http://www.hpb.com/stores/

Great links guys. Thanks for the information.

[7eat51]

I wouldn't mind seeing some privateers, such as the Pride of Baltimore ...

Welcome Chris. When you have a chance, stop by this forum and introduce yourself: http://sailsofglory.org/forumdisplay...Welcome-Aboard

Thanks for your service. When were you in? I was USAF 1989-1994.

[7eat51]

I'm doing the Russians now, but the Swedish fleet will follow.

Russians eh? That's great, but then you'll need even more Swedes for them to fight!

Plus some Turks for good measure!

I know this game has been mentioned before, but given these comments, here it is again: http://www.gmtgames.com/p-427-blue-c...te-ensign.aspx

Rory, now about the Neapolitan Navy ...

[Berthier]

I know this game has been mentioned before, but given these comments, here it is again: http://www.gmtgames.com/p-427-blue-c...te-ensign.aspx

Rory, now about the Neapolitan Navy ...

Also noteworthy is GMT are having a 50% off sale of IN STOCK games till the 22nd May which includes Flying Colours, 1805, and Serpents of the Sea plus their two new games on ACW naval battles and campaigns "Iron and Oak" and "Rebel Raiders on the High Seas"

see http://www.gmtgames.com/news.aspx?showarticle=272 for the 50% off voucher on any 2 games and
http://www.gmtgames.com/s-3-in-stock-games.aspx for current in print games

[7eat51]

Also noteworthy is GMT are having a 50% off sale of IN STOCK games till the 22nd May which includes Flying Colours, 1805, and Serpents of the Sea plus their two new games on ACW naval battles and campaigns "Iron and Oak" and "Rebel Raiders on the High Seas"

see http://www.gmtgames.com/news.aspx?showarticle=272 for the 50% off voucher on any 2 games and
http://www.gmtgames.com/s-3-in-stock-games.aspx for current in print games

You're a wonderful person Daniel.

Now, what to order?

[Berthier]

Oh you can get War Galley as well...mind you the discount only applies to 2 games...choose wisely!

[Coog]

Tempted to get "Serpents of the Seas" but I've dropped soooo much money on toys lately.

[acwmichbrig]

I was USMC 1985-1989. My wife was USAF 1988-1991. Thanks for your service, Eric!

[Devsdoc]

I know this game has been mentioned before, but given these comments, here it is again: http://www.gmtgames.com/p-427-blue-c...te-ensign.aspx

Rory, now about the Neapolitan Navy ...

Eric this more like PM posting for you and me tonight. Neapolitan?????????? Have you seen my to do paint list? Oh! a good friend has just given me 9 old "Fleet Line" models of 1st and 3rd rate ships. So I now have my free Merhant Fleet. "Oh! lucky man". So 5 more Russians to do (One being rigged now), 9 Merhant ships to do and around 12 high sea ships for the Swedish fleet to buy, make and paint. And you talk of the Blo##y Neapolitan fleet of around 4-5 sailling ships. I thougth you where my friend?
Be safe, Shipmate
Rory

[Berthier]

Hey Rory, the Turks had a nice fleet too

[7eat51]

Eric this more like PM posting for you and me tonight. Neapolitan?????????? Have you seen my to do paint list? Oh! a good friend has just given me 9 old "Fleet Line" models of 1st and 3rd rate ships. So I now have my free Merhant Fleet. "Oh! lucky man". So 5 more Russians to do (One being rigged now), 9 Merhant ships to do and around 12 high sea ships for the Swedish fleet to buy, make and paint. And you talk of the Blo##y Neapolitan fleet of around 4-5 sailling ships. I thougth you where my friend?
Be safe, Shipmate
Rory

Oh, and mustn't forget the Argentines.

[Devsdoc]

O.K.
I HATE the lot of you. Thank God the Swiss had no high sea fleet!
Be safe
Rory

[Zembar]

O.K.
I HATE the lot of you. Thank God the Swiss had no high sea fleet!
Be safe
Rory

Wait, I already assumed you had the Swiss fleet from Lake Geneva, won't do to miss that.

[Devsdoc]

Wait, I already assumed you had the Swiss fleet from Lake Geneva, won't do to miss that.

Ha Ha HA!
Be safe
Rory

[7eat51]

O.K.
I HATE the lot of you. Thank God the Swiss had no high sea fleet!
Be safe
Rory

[Cmmdre]

Wait, I already assumed you had the Swiss fleet from Lake Geneva, won't do to miss that.

Lake Geneva, Wisconsin?

[David Manley]

Switzerland does indeed have a navy



I'm sure they fielded a number of fairly pokey gunboats during the age of sail

It does also have a decent sized high seas merchant marine of around about a million tonnes and 30+ ships.

[Devsdoc]

Ha Ha Ha By the way Swizterland as we know it was not around. It was just a group of Cantons. One of which Bern was on Britains side and sent troops to West Indies.
Be safe
Rory

[7eat51]

Ha Ha Ha

On the 20th of May 2013, ships from several nations secured a victory after having battled with a lone British ship, the HMS Devsdoc, during the previous week. Just after midnight on the 20th, having suffered shot-after-shot by her relentless pursuers, the Devsdoc struck colors.

HMS Devsdoc:



For more on today's event:
This thread

[Devsdoc]

Russians eh? That's great, but then you'll need even more Swedes for them to fight!

Plus some Turks for good measure!

Rory, now about the Neapolitan Navy ...

Hey Rory, the Turks had a nice fleet too

Oh, and mustn't forget the Argentines.

Wait, I already assumed you had the Swiss fleet from Lake Geneva, won't do to miss that.

Lake Geneva, Wisconsin?

Switzerland does indeed have a navy
I'm sure they fielded a number of fairly pokey gunboats during the age of sail

It does also have a decent sized high seas merchant marine of around about a million tonnes and 30+ ships.

On the 20th of May 2013, ships from several nations secured a victory after having battled with a lone British ship, the HMS Devsdoc, during the previous week. Just after midnight on the 20th, having suffered shot-after-shot by her relentless pursuers, the Devsdoc struck colors.

HMS Devsdoc:
For more on today's event:
This thread

On this day 2013. After the strikeing of her colours H.M.S. Devsdoc crew shoot the Captain then asked for asylam! The Russians and Swedes said, "They would have a drink and a think". The Turks said, "No! Gallery slaves only". The Neapolitin said, "They would think about and let us know tomorrow". The Argentines said, "You are British, NO WAY!" The Swiss said, "How much and we will vote on it."
Be safe
Rory

[7eat51]

... asked for asylam!

The Anchorage is an asylum of sorts.

[csadn]

Wow -- and people accuse *me* of being a sadistic bastard.... :)

[Devsdoc]

The Anchorage is an asylum of sorts.

Yeh! With high walls and bars on the windows.
Be safe (maybe)
Rory