The Russian naval archives in St Petersburg have ST plans, and they even built a slightly scaled-down copy.
Printable View
The Russian naval archives in St Petersburg have ST plans, and they even built a slightly scaled-down copy.
I am aware of one member of a class of modern warships that is a metre shorter than her classmates because of some small build errors that accumulated, and one of my colleagues fell foul of trusting ships drawings rather than measuring at ship when he prefabricated a module which then didn't fit as the available space wasn't as shown on the drawings. And that is with modern drawing and modeling techniques. Imagine the scope for error in drawing and building in the 18th and 19th centuries
I can well visualize how it happened Dave.
We once completed a fabrication where all the spars were handed as to the hole placings for bolts.
When we came to assemble the structure all the bolt holes had been drilled in left handed mode, and there was nothing wrong with those working drawings. Only cost 10K to rectify. Murphy's Law strikes again.
Rob.
An old friend who used to work in a Puget Sound breaker's yard before he took up bus driving once told of a WWII escort-carrier he was dismantling where they found a complete, never-used machine shop because that prefab section had been misinstalled so there was no hatchway through the bulkheads around it. (The ship's machine shop, after dismantling, relocation and reassembly, was still serving him well when we last spoke a few years ago.)
Happened more than once with various spaces, they even found one ship with a fully stocked armory. "Garands and 1911s for Everyone!"
The new ships may have reached the U.K. now because I have seen an internet games shop based in the U.K. advertising them for sale.
Gamesquest are showing these now in stock, the Spanish 74 @£19 and 112 @£21
Thanks for the information shipmates.
I can now start getting my duplicate 74s.
Rob.
GamesQuest is where I saw them advertised. I was a bit dismayed by the price rises but I suppose thoseare the consequence of the fall in the value of the pound owing to the Brexit vote.
Unfortunately price is about what
I was expecting, even taking into account the Obersts discounts a 74 was $16 and the three deckers $18, current exchange rates are around £=$ which means 74 £16 and 100+ £18 add to that postage $40 = £40 divided by the number of ships say all 12 adds another£2 to the price, unfortunately we then have the tax and handling charge, if caught by HMC&E adds possibly anothe £1.50 no matter what the oberst adds to the packaging the customs are taking greater interest it seems an we all know about the Royal Mail £12 handling charge for posting a piece of paper to say they have the models :( so I was expexting a price around £18 to £22.
Of course other shops may offer lower prices as time goes on, but
Im pretty sure this series will go fast due to the nature of the ships portrayed. I ordered the Spanish and hope to pick up the others around the shows this year
That does, however, make the Anchorage store much more competitive now. Hence my proclivity to support Keith by purchasing from him. If you divide the charges out by the number of times you manage to dodge the tax, it works out quite well.
Rob.
I'm soon to order some additional models, but wondered which people would select and why, particularly from an historical perspective.
Which Spanish 1st Rate model would you select and why?
I plan to purchase a single 50 and a 60, one for the French and one for the British. Which would you select and why?
I will also purchase two of the Spanish 3rd Raters, but the choices here are simple.
Keith, from a historical perspective I've been waiting for the Santa Ana since they announced and released HMS Royal Sovereign. The battle between these two ships at Trafalgar has been of special interest to me since I got into this period of naval gaming. I will acknowledge that the current firepower of the Santa Ana may be extreme compared to other First Rates in the game, but that won't stop me from trying a one on one, or similar battle, between these two ships that stems from their historical exchange at Trafalgar.
I agree with Jim.
If you are only going to buy one three Decker it has to be the Santa Ana because of the historical importance of it at Trafalgar. As the Flagship of Vice-Admiral Ignacio Maria de Alva y Navarrete, it played a pivotal role in the battle. I only wish that Ares would issue Captain and Admirals' ability cards with important ships such as these.
Rob.
Thank you both for the suggestion and reasons. Much appreciated.
Any thoughts on the 50 & 60 gun ships?
The only ones that I was very keen to get was HMS Leander because it was at the Nile.
We are doing Sven's Nile at Doncaster this year.
Rob
Both HMS Leopard and HMS Leander were famous for their "affairs". The Chesapeake–Leopard Affair and the Leander Affair. Both make them interesting from a historical perspective. I bought both due to that.
I only mentioned Leander as Keith only said he was getting one of each type.
T clear the position up, I did buy all of them myself Jonas.:minis::minis::minis::clap:
Rob.
I did not. I only bought one each of HMS Leopard, HMS Leander and Artésien.
The Spanish on the other hand... two of each.
Worth mentioning is that I somewhat base my buys on which painting scheme I think look good and don't care what flag Ares put on it as I will remove them anyway.
I was thinking of changing HMS Bahama back to Spanish colours Jonas.
Rob.
I will sail all my Spanish ships under Spanish colours.
Or they could actually release a deck of cards like the one in the kickstarter but add more captain cards perhaps.
It would be nice to see at least 1 if not 2 (for the 2 choices of ship) Captains card to go with each ship. That would make it unique and a nice shall I shan't I addition to games.
Glad you like the idea shipmates, now all we need is for our men with contacts to convince Ares.
Rob.
Has anyone found a points list or updated the spreadsheet for the new ships?
I haven't seen an updated spreadsheet yet and until my ships arrive I don't have all the stats needed to do it myself.
Points values however on the Ares download site are in an updated pdf and includes wave 3 I believe.
http://www.aresgames.eu/get/SGN000X-...EN-103-web.pdf
Hope it helps.
You are quite right Alan, it is up to date.
I downloaded it last week.
Rob.
So it is, they just need to update the label.
Task, could you do the spreadsheet? If so that would be fabulous!
6 Spanish Ships including 2 three deckers sailed into Bristol harbour this morning.......... pretty.
Now to get them rigged for Beachead in a few weeks
Good news.
I look forward to seeing them Chris.
Three of mine had their first outing yesterday.
Rob.
Been looking at the Spanish 3 decker.... my isnt it tidgy compared to the British and French ones.
I always imagined the Spanish ships to be large for some reason
They may be a little smaller than they should be but they should still be clearly shorter than the French Océan-class.
They are most definitely smaller than they should be. You don't even have to measure, you can clearly eye ball the difference in waterline to deck, beam and length of the Spanish 1st Rates vs. the British. As The Ocean class should be larger than any (even the Santisima Trinidad). DB posted some useful information here, including some 1/1000 comparison drawings.
http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...ght=merigildos
They may be smaller than they should be Chris, but they can punch above their weight.:shock:
I wonder how the Langtons look alongside them!:wink:
Rob.
Funny you should ask that Rob. I decided to pull out my Langton 1/1200 Santa Ana and take some photos next to the Ares version. I honestly was not surprised to see they're almost identical in size. Even the sails on the 1/1000 Ares Santa Ana aren't that much larger!? I think I know one person who is going to enjoy this revelation. Rory, never wanted Ares to go 1/1000 on their ships, and at least for the Spanish First Rates, it almost looks like they were modeled at 1/1200?
Attachment 27434
Attachment 27435
Attachment 27436
Attachment 27437
Thanks Jim.
I now know that I can live with a mix of the two scales without too much mental conflict.:wink:
Rob.
Hmm seems strange dont it, same ship, two different scales and yet look same size.
I must admit once
I got the Spanish ships out of the box they all looked like 74's at first glance, hope
I dont make the same mistake during a game
I went to my local games shop yesterday to see what the situation was regarding the new ships. The owner told me that he was unwilling to order expansions 'on spec' when he could not obtain any Starter Sets. However, he was perfectly willing to order some to fulfil a definite order from me.
The lesson; Ares must keep a supply of Starter Sets available for shops to stock to sell to new players.
Starter sets have long vanished from our shores. Unfortunately, I have never seen any Wave 2 models locally either.