Fight you for them then Chris. With the one due to arrive tomorrow, I'm just four short now.
2 Bordeaux/ Dougay for Mont Blanc and Heros plus whatever I choose for the Leviathan and Minotaur. That looks like it will be Belonas.
Rob.
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Fight you for them then Chris. With the one due to arrive tomorrow, I'm just four short now.
2 Bordeaux/ Dougay for Mont Blanc and Heros plus whatever I choose for the Leviathan and Minotaur. That looks like it will be Belonas.
Rob.
In my un-named box I have one each of a Temeraire, Bahama and Elizabeth, so I got three more from the missing 9
I just ordered two Spartiates from Entoyment so hopefully that just leaves two Duguay Trouins to get although I can't find them anywhere. Looks as if I may have to go States side again for those.
Rob.
Well have now completed all the fleets ready for Doncaster.
The last pics will be posted shortly. All bar 1 are official SoG models. I know that a number are not truly correct, the Spanish Montanes for example but I do believe at this scale they will be a close representation, close enough for me anyway.
I intend to take a number of pics st the Doncaster con next weekend and see how my gameplan works, or doesnt, then all being wel, I shall liaise with DM to see about a possability of a full game at his pub venue in Oct or Nov. We will see want to try out the game mechanics first.
:salute: Right Chris.
And I will provide the drinks as usual.:drinks:
Rob.
I'm looking forward to seeing your photos. I hope everyone has an enjoyable time!
I wish you alll a most successful Trafalgar mission in Doncaster and I'm curious for the AAR & the pictures.
:salute:
Thanks shipmates. Chris and I are just sorry that you cannot be with us this year. I will put your Cognac to one side for you my dear Comte.
Bligh.
Thank you, Sir. :salute:
Mutiple reasons keep me away from Doncaster this year.
Beside this - situation in work intensified a little bit the last weeks because my deputy has massive problems with shiftwork/work at night and a reliable personal support isn't available before March 2019. :sad:
So I'm content not to be forced to cancel my attendance in last minute.
My dear Comte,
Here at the Admiralty we are very cognizant of your unfortunate position regarding the forthcoming event, and can empathize fully with your situation. We can only wish for your well being and success in your current difficult enterprise. We trust that we may avail ourselves of your excellent company and bonhomie in the not too distant future.
Pp. Their Lordships of the Admiralty.
Your obedient servant,
Wm. Bligh. Admiral of the Blue.
The starting set up for the Battle of Trafalgar at Doncaster.
Attachment 39771
The British fleet.
Attachment 39772
The French and Spanish fleet.
Attachment 39773
Attachment 39774
Here are the first of my pics of the Trafalgar game from Doncaster the weekend just gone.
Complete Panorama of the battle
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...7&d=1537824921
The Allied center with the British approaching
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...8&d=1537824952
The front half of the Allied fleet, British in the background
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...9&d=1537824977
The rear of the Allied Fleet, the rear end of the British columns in the background
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...0&d=1537824996
Looking from north to South along the Franco Spanish Line, the two British columns to the right
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...1&d=1537825017
More pics of the action will be forth coming
Great to see pictures!
Whish I could have been there. At least I have just switched assignment at the job, so now I'm hoping for free time and no more working weekends. Time for more sails.
Can hardly wait...
Incredible, Chris. :shock:
A great project came to a realisation.
The look on those ships in Doncaster given an inside view how it has been in the real battle. A horizont full of sails - thousands of mean ready to fight and a few captains holding the fate of their men and ships in hand. :salute:
And here is Chris being presented with the Admiral's prize for the best battle of the year.
Bligh.
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I have added the game play special rules to post 5
Incredible looking game, well done Chris!
here is another of the Trafalgar ships, the 80 gun Neptuno
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...7&d=1540219656
The model is one of the Bahama types, using Peter Goodwins "Ships of Trafalgar" the difference between the Bahama and the Montanes class is almost, I say almost , negligible. The real issue is that I believe the actual Bahama model is shorter than it should be, but without other options I made do.
so for the time being at least you can use a Bahama for the four Montanes ships. changing the stats slightly, if you are happy to accept the Bahama as is.
The last three Spanish ships
Argonauta
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...9&d=1541773095
Monarca
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...0&d=1541773128
Montanes
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...1&d=1541773149
Yes these no totally correct but at least they are representative and worked.
So thats all the spanish and French ships represented.
Hi Chris,
I'm interested to know which ship you (or anyone else for that matter) use for the
Spanish ship Rayo and if/how you've modified it from the standard base ship.
Also if you have modified any stats, the firing arcs and/or sailing angles from the host.
Being pretty much a single type ship I don't see an actual ship for it for some time, if ever.
Hi Alan
For Rayo I used SGN111b San Carlos
Using three decks as ref
San Carlos
Length of Gundeck205' 5"Burgos Feet57.1362 (187′ 5″ Imperial)
Length of Keel183' 9"Burgos Feet50.9863 (167′ 3″ Imperial)
Breadth54' 7"Burgos Feet15.085 (49′ 5″ Imperial)
Depth in Hold27' 6"Burgos Feet7.5421 (24′ 8″ Imperial)
Burthen2,308Tons BM
Armament
1787Broadside Weight = 1188 Spanish libre (1281.852 lbs 545.292 kg)B002Gun Deck30 Spanish 36-Pounder
Gun Deck32 Spanish 24-Pounder
Gun Deck32 Spanish 12-Pounder
Gun Deck18 Spanish 8-Pounder
Crew Complement 1787 878
Rayo using Goodwins Ships of Trafalgar
Length of Gundeck 189’
Length of Keel 165’
Breadth 57’ 14.89
Depth in Hold28' 3".
Burthen 1889 tons
Armament
1787Broadside Weight = 1010 Lbs
Gun Deck30 Spanish 36-Pounder
Gun Deck30 Spanish 18-Pounder
Gun Deck6 Spanish 18-Pounder carronades
Gun Deck32 Spanish 8-Pounder
Crew Complement. 1805. 830men
So in size the ships are within a couple of mm in this scale the main difference being crew, armament and weight of shot.
To account for this I subtracted 1 from each value in the firing values
For the crew I changed the initial number of boxs by one removing the first 4 box for actions and muskets.
This gave the stats, for ne anyway, a feel for larger than the Montanes ships and Smaller than the Meregildos.
The sailing burden Etc I kept as San Carlos.
I followed Chris when I did mine as well.
Rob.
Not "believe," amigo, PROVEN FACT. All of Wave 3 are significantly undersize because of a measuring error introduced by Windows screen scaling (Windows automatically presents everything at something like 90% "actual" size), but Bahama in particular is scaled based on her dimensions as a 64-gunner as laid down rather than a 74 as taken.
I have a suspicion that even though I told Ares *exactly* what was wrong, that this underscaling is "the new normal"... :( This is why YOU CANNOT JUST PUT A RULER ON YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN TO TAKE MEASUREMENTS!
Oh DB! You have just destroyed my belief in Wysiwyg, Santa Clause and the Easter Beagle all in one.
Seriously though, I also get the same problem when designing ship cards. Despite sizing them exactly according to Photoshop measurements they invariably print out with a sizing error, which has to be corrected.
Thank you for taking the time to fully explain why the issue occurred though. I wonder at which stage of production this gaffe was made?
Rob.
Rob, try scaling up by 105 to 110% and see what that does for you. Alternately, put together a 1" scale bar on your screen (viewed at "actual size", what MS Paint calls a 1" measurement straight line, then take a pair of calipers and measure that line's actual length. A quick bit of division to find the reciprocal (1 / [measurement]), scale up to that percentage (ie, 1.05 = 105%) and Bob's Yer Uncle... for that specific computer at least.
Thanks DB.
I will give it a go.
Maybe there is an Easter Beagle after all.
Rob.
My photoshop sizing is spot on. I would recommend that you check your print settings. There are a few options you should make sure you don't use like "Fit to page"
Thanks for that help too Jonas.
I will check for sure.
this has all happened since I had my new printer.
Rob.
Fit to page puts your "page" within the magins of the printed page, ie sized down. There's also the old A4 or US Letter page size question that could affect the outcome.
Cheers Jonas.
I knew about the A4 size problem because the Printer prog always defaults to the 4.5 inch scale when you set the quality setting so it needs adjusting last of all or it comes out too big again.
Rob.
at last pics of the missing ships from the Brit orbat
HMS Swiftsure
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...2&d=1561565993
HMS Colossus
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...1&d=1561565979
HMS Minotaur
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...0&d=1561565947
HMS conqueror
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...9&d=1561565922
HMS Leviathan
https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...8&d=1561565900
So thats a pic of every Ship of the Line that we used for the Trafalagar game and is a model of every Ship of the Line that took part in the actual battle, I didn not use any Frigates
any questions I am available to answer, these have been added to post 2 and the orbat now complete
:salute:Well done sir. This was indeed a marathon effort to collect the ships let alone to rig them all.
A very impressive array indeed.:minis:
Bligh.:hatsoff::hatsoff::hatsoff: