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03-01-2021, 11:34
Vagabond

Ships boats

Hi, I should like to get hold of a few small ships boats to suit SoG 1:000 scale, I dont want to do any modeling and so will go with rowed boats rather than sailed. I only want them to be place markers for shore going actions and they will need to represent boats from Frigates to 1st rates.

MX3 Set of 6 Pinnaces: 3 rowed, 3 sailed (brass) £2.50
MX4 Set of 6 Cutters: 3 rowed, 3 sailed (brass) £2.50
MX5 Set of 6 Launches: 3 rowed, 3 sailed (brass) £2.50
MX6 Set of 6 Mixed Boats, sailed (brass) £3.00
MX7 Set of 1 Shore Battery + 5 rowed boats £2.25
MX8 Set of 1 Signal Station + 5 rowed boats £2.25
MX9 Set of 1 Martello Tower (resin)+ 5 rowed boats £2.25
MX11 Open Boats (pack of 8 mixed) £3.00

This is a list taken from Rod Langtons site, obviously 1:1200 scale, and I wonder if anyone can tell me which might be suitable for my requirements. Also does anyone else manufacture in the actual scale I'm looking for?

Cheers
03-01-2021, 13:04
Volunteer

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I have the same issue with 1/700 scale boats. I used some Warlord Games boats and made a two part hard mold and use play-doh to make more

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03-01-2021, 13:13
Bligh

Hi John.
I use the Langton ships boats with my Sails ships. They are not out of place. He does a mixed set of them in a variety of sizes. Also his buildings look fine when you realize that they work with the perspective of being a hundred yards back behind the ships sailing along the coast. For photographing the scenes they look just fine.

Rob.
03-02-2021, 10:11
TexaS

Since some of the Sails of Glory ships aren’t perfectly to scale I don’t find ships boats or buildings in 1:1200 to be really that out of scale. They’re not much smaller compared to the Spanish ships than the Spanish compared to the other ships.
03-02-2021, 12:10
Volunteer

GHQ sells three different ship's boats as well, but Langton has the crewed and oared boats. Crews are approximately 2 MM in size.
03-03-2021, 00:59
Vagabond

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I have the same issue with 1/700 scale boats. I used some Warlord Games boats and made a two part hard mold and use play-doh to make more

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Hi Vol years ago when I was really poor I made some Greek galleys, impressing a lead one into plasticine and casting plaster of paris into it. They were only about 1" long and the oar bank was quite fragile but as they were waterline models it worked fine.
Are you saying that you pushed play-doh into your hard mould? Did you harden it in someway. I remember back in the 70's there was talk of hardening plasticine with bannana oil, but I never discovered how you got the oil out of the bannana! :wink:
03-03-2021, 01:02
Vagabond

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Originally Posted by Bligh

Hi John.
I use the Langton ships boats with my Sails ships. They are not out of place. He does a mixed set of them in a variety of sizes. Also his buildings look fine when you realize that they work with the perspective of being a hundred yards back behind the ships sailing along the coast. For photographing the scenes they look just fine.

Rob.

Thanks Rob, do you know if the mixed set in a variety of sizes you refer to is the MX11 set, the last on my list?
Cheers
03-03-2021, 01:25
Vagabond

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Originally Posted by TexaS

Since some of the Sails of Glory ships aren’t perfectly to scale I don’t find ships boats or buildings in 1:1200 to be really that out of scale. They’re not much smaller compared to the Spanish ships than the Spanish compared to the other ships.

Thanks Jonas, my problem is I'm a gamer not a ship model enthusiast so I'm assuming when Langton lists Pinnacers, Cutters, and Launches they are 3 different sized boat's.

So me using them in 1:1000 scale I could probably take the largest 1:1200 boat and it would be equivalent to a smaller type of boat in 1:1000. Unfortunatly in my ignorance I don't know which is the range of sizes, is a cutter bigger than a launch or a pinnacer and is that a typing mistake and it should be a pinnacle?

I tried researching these and the names appear to relate to sail plan rather than size which doesn't help me, I just wondered if anyone knew which might be the best fit.

You have answered another question about the Spanish ships, I have HMS Bahama and thought she didn't scale too well with other 74's.
Cheers
03-03-2021, 01:32
Capn Duff

I have a set of MX7, the shore battery set.
The five row boats consist of 2 x single rowboat on a 12mm square base , approx , with the crew and 3 pairs of rowers
The other three boats are single row boats with two oar crews on a 10mm square base, all metal.
The battery has three guns in an earthwork settting base approx 25mm by 15mm
03-03-2021, 01:48
Vagabond

Thanks Chris, I was wondering about the battery set. I've been collecting small cardboard rolls with the thoughts of making some shore batteries, this might be an easier way forward.
Cheers
03-03-2021, 04:15
Capn Duff

Here you go John, this is the set

https://www.sailsofglory.org/attachm...0&d=1614770019
03-03-2021, 10:19
Volunteer

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Hi Vol years ago when I was really poor I made some Greek galleys, impressing a lead one into plasticine and casting plaster of paris into it. They were only about 1" long and the oar bank was quite fragile but as they were waterline models it worked fine.
Are you saying that you pushed play-doh into your hard mould? Did you harden it in someway. I remember back in the 70's there was talk of hardening plasticine with bannana oil, but I never discovered how you got the oil out of the bannana! :wink:

Right John, Play Doh hardens in air after a few hours and can be filed, sanded and painted. I just lay a bit over each impression on one side of the mold, then press the opposite mold side down, using tooth picks in the guide holes. Squeeze hard, release then trim a bit and do it again. Remove one side and let them dry hard. Pop them out with a needle or straight pin. I make the molds wit Sculpy. It's fast, just 8 minutes in the toaster oven and it is ready to go. I have used this method to make more cannon, furled sails, etc.
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03-03-2021, 10:37
Volunteer

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Originally Posted by Vagabond

Thanks Jonas, my problem is I'm a gamer not a ship model enthusiast so I'm assuming when Langton lists Pinnacers, Cutters, and Launches they are 3 different sized boat's.

So me using them in 1:1000 scale I could probably take the largest 1:1200 boat and it would be equivalent to a smaller type of boat in 1:1000. Unfortunatly in my ignorance I don't know which is the range of sizes, is a cutter bigger than a launch or a pinnacer and is that a typing mistake and it should be a pinnacle?

I tried researching these and the names appear to relate to sail plan rather than size which doesn't help me, I just wondered if anyone knew which might be the best fit.

You have answered another question about the Spanish ships, I have HMS Bahama and thought she didn't scale too well with other 74's.
Cheers

John the rowed boat packs also include larger gunboats
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Next size down Pinnaces
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And smaller cutters
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03-04-2021, 17:00
Vagabond

Chris/Vol thanks a lot, the pics are a big help. When I get ships boats I can retire my Greek Penteconters, they are almost old enough to draw their pension.
Cheers