It turned out that Henry Turner have some free ships and one of them was the Bounty. I just thought that Bligh ought to have that one.
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I have tried building GHQ ships a few decades ago and I failed miserably. SoG gave me a new chance to return to my favourite genre. I have painted a Rod Langton miniature or two since I started with SoG, but that's been an exception. I keep to plastic and resin now.
Good luck!
I also prefer the resin ships Jonas. I wish that Rod would indicate which of his are in resin.
Rob.
This is now my planned Spanish fleet.
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Neptuno, San Francisco de Asis, San Augustin, San Justo, Monarca, Bahama
Montañes, Argonauta, San Ildefonso, San Juan Nepomuceno, Santo Domingo
Nuestra Señora de la Santísima Trinidad, Santa Ana, Principe de Asturias, Conde de Reglia, Real Carlos
Puríssima Conceptión, San José, Rayo, San Nicolás de Bari, Fenix, ?
Now I wonder what would be the best representation of Bahamas and Rayo?
True, which gives us her last day in Spanish service and her last years in the RN. I'm hoping to find something in-between so HMS San Josef model will be visibly different from ARS San Jose or ARS Purisima Concepcion even before the ensigns go on. :)
Nasty part on Ganges, looks like some of the stern painting has to wait until completion and derafting.
Bounty vs Swan
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Near enough for me me boys. :thumbsup:
Bligh.
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Got a little done. Decks on four Montañes and Ildefonso and started the decks on the Meregildos.
Nice looking fleet there Jonas, I just seen that on the 3d website there are now models available for the Santa Anna class, Bucentaure/Tonnant class, San Ildelfonso /Montanes class, so all of the smaller models can be replaced with more accurate ones.
I look forward to seeing this fleet finished.
Must have a look at Henry's site again myself Chris. Those are looking very smart already. Jonas can certainly move when he wants to.
Rob.
Meanwhile, this weekend I have been mostly adding to my HEIC squadron.
Rob.
I agree Rob, makes me think about getting a printer myself one day, until then though :sad:
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Next job is the three Swedish Frigates which Jonas kindly sent to me for the Med.
Rob.
Chris, I have the Simon Mann models and the Henry Turner ones so I have 74, 74, 80, 112, 114, 136 gun ships.
Rob, check out the Wikipedia page for Venus in Swedish for colour plates for Venus.
Hi Jonas, yes I thought you may have got all the files when I saw your fleet.
I have bought Henry’s files and and considering getting Simons Tonnant and Montanes files for future
Don’t forget Simon Mann when looking for ships to print. I don’t think he’s quite as good but he’s good enough. Or perhaps it’s his older ships that are a little lacking.
Rob, since we have so much covid, there’s no leaving the apartment anyway.
And ships aren’t the only thing I do...
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Remember, Simon designs his ships for gaming! They are much more robust than Henry's. Henry is making the attempt to provide a more robust gaming model with his "Chunky" version of a few of his later ships. Henry puts so much detail into his regular resin ships, making them somewhat fragile and breakable. I am not sure how well they would hold up to heavy use. Simon's resin prints I have seem to be nearly as sturdy as the plastic ships.
I could have done with your bridges when we did both Vitoria and Brandywine back in the day. We bought one cast bridge and due to lack of funds for the club then used it to Vac form several others on the school machine with the only thin plastic sheet they had. They did not stand the test of time, as after a few useages they develped cracks at the stress points in the plastic.
Rob.
They are good ships, but there are things like the gallery that's not really sculpted at all. Henry's FDM files works well in 1:1000 when the models are for 1:700 and so on. I think Henry has some tricks that makes his ships more suitable for scaling to 1:1000 and printing on a resin printer, apart from actually providing ships in 1:1000 which usually were a mix between the FDM guns and the 1:700 details. If it prints, it prints... Simon's ships I have mostly scaled down the 1:700 but then the guns are very small and Simon has made a hole in the barrel of the guns, which I think is unneccessary in most scales and that makes some barrels fail when scaled too small.
Simon's ships do mix better with Sails of Glory.
For me it's the availability of a ship that descides whom I buy it from. I got the Kickstarter with the Baltic bulwarks included and that gave me quite a few Henry-ships.
Now I'm just hoping for any of them to make a Neptune class second rate.
And a Wasa-class Swedish third rate, but thats's obvious.
You all are insanely talented! I am jealous! My hands have a natural shake to them. So it makes painting miniatures impossible for me. I simply can’t hold the brush steady. Now, if you need a Ship of the Line painted like a Jackson Pollock, I’m your man! Haha!
Really enjoying looking at your ships. Thank you all for sharing!
Chuck, I feel your pain--this is why I use the finest-point brushes I can get, barely wet them and look for structural features I can use to guide my brush. It's the only trick that's let me back into the game after being forced out of even big 1/48-scale planes fifteen years ago...
Here are the first three GHQ builds - two brigs and a schooner. I hijacked some of Rob's ship cards and changed them to fit my AWI Continental Navy. Rob, I hope you don't mind?
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My painting ability is nowhere near the abilities that many of you possess, but hopefully it will get better with time.
If youi would like any more cards knocking out Anthony just let me know.
Rob.
Personal opinion... if we compare these models to Star Trek characters, I'd use Henry and Simon's models for ships that get the headliner role akin to Kirk/Picard/Named Main Cast, and the Ares models for Redshirts.
OTOH, Simon's and Henry's are easier to replace in the event of a break or a manufacturing defect... I'd still like to see an SLP system option where you can melt down and reuse wastage like post-print rafts or bad prints.
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Good sides of L to R ARS San Jose as taken at Cape St. Vincent 1797, ARS Purisima Concepcion ca. 1780 as launched (both based on Todo a Babor references), HMS Minden as bombarded both Ft McHenry and Algiers (based on a painting of the latter).
Great, DB!
It's very nice to be able to use you for researching paint schemes. :wink:
Don't count on me, and take period paintings and models with a grain of salt--I'm painting by the best references I can find but assuming someday complete repaint may be required. :) (And if anybody comes up with better on the five Ganges that made game cutoff, PLEASE share!) Funny, if you told me fifteen years ago when the shakes made me give up plane building that someday I'd paint something as small as PC's top-rail and have it come out as anything better than unmitigated disaster I'd have laughed in your face...
Yes, painting were often painted years later by someone that's never been to sea.
At least they give a picture of public belief in the era. I find that better than the belief now where a few grognards complain about the wild fantasies that fly off the screen in works as Black Sails.
There are also a few paintings made by someone actually in the pictured battle or at least experience from other battles.
Somehow I find the historically correct satisfying, but almost as satisfying is to find a historical possibility and choose to use that instead knowingly because it's better looking or so you can easily distinguish between ships when playing with them.
At this point, where I can't get sufficient references I'm willing to settle for "Plausible"--there's actually more green on my Canada than on the Rogers Collection 1779-vintage model she's based on especially in the beakhead, but it's still plausible and works for a Vessel Visual Identification System. If I can find detail references for a specific battle to recreate an exact moment in time that's always my first choice, but... well, the steepest learning curve with this game for me has been the learning to "make do," especially with not even redecoes coming for the foreseeable future.
As I post WIP, I'd also appreciate it if you guys could help me keep track of what needs doing before the hulls get clearcoated--both PC's need their figureheads, PC herself the stern gallery can't be done until I get some silver paint. Masts and sails are waiting for my LGS to get a restock of Vallejo since the big craft stores don't carry 883 Silver Gray, which was the closest match to the color Ares uses.
I agree DB. I decided years ago that plausible was better than going completely bonkers, when I visited the 45th Regimental museum to research the colours used by them in the Peninsular and the curator told me that they could not even show me a colour from the First World War let alone one that far back. All the posh regiments can show colours going back centuries.
Rob.
I talked about uniform colours for naval uniforms and one who had examined originals asked which of Nelson’s uniforms I ment when discussing. There was a difference between the battle of the Nile uniform and the Trafalgar uniform. Not how they had aged but the colour in “hidden” areas had a remarkable difference with reddish or greenish tone of the blue. Basically you could choose any dark blue and it would probably be correct for one of all the officer uniforms of the era.
I often look for good looking paint schemes and then try to see which ships I would fit it to.
Well I collected the best info I could and came up with this for my US Squadron in the Med. Just got to do my Swedish contingent and a gun boat or two now.
Great job, Rob.
I'm already looking forward to the AARs you will write!
Your US Squadron looks great Rob. Well done!
Anthoony