Hi Keith,
So why the double-sided card that you can not stick down. Sorry only seeing what you and SOG show me. I maybe dumb but I do not get it:smack:
Be safe
Rory
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I think it is the logs that are double-sided. The logs give the specifics on the ships, with the cards giving class specific info that would be used for all ships in that given class.
Hi Eric,
This I understand. But why the double-sided base card, if all classes of ships have the same wind zone and firering arcs. We are told one size base for all rates of ships. So what is the diffidence on the two sides of the ships base card that can not be stick-down or printed onto the base.
Be safe
Rory
Hi Rory,
I just reread the KS, and yes, the cards are double-sided. I wonder if that statement was unnecessary in that the same side of a card could be used for a different ship of the same class, especially one that would otherwise simply be a different paint. The only thing I can think of is if the second log changes the ship in some fundamental way that would affect firing arcs, etc., e.g. addition of bow-chasers, modifying a deck to add more guns. So if I may, I would like to join you in the confusion.
Eric
The "ship" card also states the name and nation of the ship. As such, it will be double sided to show this. If it was not, you would have a very hard time fielding both A and B versions of the miniature as they would look identical on the table. Having the name and country flag gives enough visual clue as not to mix them up.
Ah! Keith,
Now I get it! A deep base so you can have a long peg from the ship model, So you can trap a piece of card between the base and the ship so I will not mix up which ship is which . Oh! Keith' Straight out of the box and play is one thing. But that is the biscuit! To whom are they aimming this game at?
Thin bases no peg = better looking ships. Sticky backed papier or molded or painted wind zones/ firing arcs. Stick ship to base. Flags on the flag pole and a little label with the ships :- Name, numder of guns and a nice little flag incase you missed the one on the ship.
Be safe
Rory Aged 56
P.S. As you have a ship to hand. How are the masts kept in the hull?
The game is marketed at non hobbyist who want to be playing within 10 minutes of opening the box. It's much easier (and better for sales) for them to make them this way and let us hobbyist modify them to fit our needs. The masts will be glued in (mine came partly assembled and the masts were not attached).
Since the ships will be in the stores in a few months, it's a little late to ask why they did certain things. I've already ordered some thin clear light blue bases with plans to use clear printed labels.
As far as I know, the masts, deck and hull are put together as one piece.
Ed Age 72
Hi Keith,
Thanks for your help. It helps me understand the models better and the game. Also what I (and maybe some members on this site) could do with them to make them look better, but still play the game and enjoy the look of the game:thumbsup: :salute:
Be safe
Rory
Please keep in mind these are preproduction versions of the ship. The actual sculpt is one level below production (they have added more details) and the paint work is several levels below production standards (and beat up from all the handling, they are my work horses for other products) and these, from what I understand, were used to confirm the locations of different colors, not the final colors/level of detail or crispness. The base is also a level or two below production.
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Hi Ed,
I have been asking about the bases for a long time on this site, SOG Ya-hoo groups, TMP naval site and privately on-line. Keith is the first person in the know who has answered me:salute:. I now understand the why's! I like your idea, but watch out that your ships do not look as if they are flying and not floating. I tryed a clear base (5mm) for my harbour and it looked so high of the table it looked all wrong! If I buy this game (Looks 50/50 at this time) I need too know so I can do as you are doing and rig them I still think most gamers (not Hobbyish) could do a little sticking themselfs for a better look to the game from the box.
Be safe
Rory
Hello Rory,
The bases I'm talking about are 1/8" acrylic. My main concern is how the transparent ink labels will show up on the light blue bases. I'll find out in a couple of weeks.
If you like naval wargaming, I think you'll love SoG. So many ways to go with the ships and rules. And if you haven't, get in on the kickstarter before the 16th for some great perks.
Ed
Hi Ed,
I too I'm looking forward to see your bases Could you post them here when they are done? I should not say this but I have so much time and money tied up in my 1/1200 ships and shore-lines. I have just cut out a 4ft plan shore line into two matching 1/2's, will start painting it soon. I think I would buy a Starter Set only for Christmas/Brithday to see what I could use? So kickstarter is not the way for me and the added cost for living in the U.K. Hopefully I can sail in your wake and enjoy your enjoyment 2nd hand of this new game. I look forward to seeing and talking more to you.
Be safe
Rory
Nice detailed shots!!
I for one do not mind if the bases are a bit on the thick side. There are many other miniature games that also have thick bases. I know X-Wing does to accommodate the card that is placed in the base to identify the model.
What is the planned thickness of the production base compared to other types like the stock Wings base or the fine bases you produce for the Aerodrome?
Thanks
:salute:
I'm considering trying to reinforce the jibs on mine by rigging those "free-floating" sails up front with wire instead of thread.
There is surprisingly quite a bit of plastic at the jib connection. As long as your are not picking the ship up and man handling it by the jib, I don't think it's going to be an issue. I was really impressed with how Ares designed these ships, very robust.
The vast majority of SOG players will, I am sure, be 100% happy with these "out of the box". For others, simply painting in the spars and a thin brown/black wash will do wonders. Rigging would be easier if some of the bulwarks were a bit higher, but some of Rod's ships were examples of types with minimalist forward bulwarks, so a dab of glue and the thread held down with a knife point there I think.
But I'm currently wondering whether to do any of that. If i'm using these a lot for demo/parti games at wargame shows I'm thinking I should maintain the "out of the box" aspect so that prospective purchasers will see what they are actually going to get. Any thoughts on that?
Hi Ted,
Yes you are right, for planes you can have a thick base it is not a part of the model. you see just the plane on a see-through stick Unlike the ship that sits right on it.
Hi Ed,
Will do thanks
Hi Diamondback,
I think it will be O.K. See my post on this thread #30 I think the mast and jib are more likely to bend on a metal ship than SOG plastic one's. Rigging wth thread will hold it just like the real thing. Wire is overkill and may damage the model.
Be safe All
Rory
I think you raise a valid point: marketing at conventions, etc. It would probably be a good idea to keep, at the minimum, some ships in their original state. Based on what I have seen with friends playing WoG, many, if not most, causal players will like the ships as is very much. If Keith's photos are below grade, then the finished products should look fairly good. For those who don't model, they will look great.
Hi David,
I think your right on all counts. I glue a very small ring to the hull from a small link chain I have onto the model before painting, on some of Rods ships eg NR1 Mizzen mast. I tried the knife bit and got most of the thread glued to the knife and cocktail-stick:erk: I used. How do you do that? I would make the SOG ships for me. Saying this is what you could do with them. If I was showing a "Out of the box" aspect at domo/parti game. I would ask what % are you getting and use Ares models? Hard, but life!
Be safe
Rory
I'm glad to see they're durable. That's what I want. I might add rigging to the jibs just because it looks a bit weird having them go into nothingness. I'm thinking rig the jibs, ratlines...call it a day. Ratlines add SO much and should be easy to do.