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Here's another completely uncalled for suggestion -- ship duel packs similar to the ones for Wings. It could match two ships that had historical ship to ship combats. My suggestion (request) would be a pack containing the HMS Shannon and the USS Chesapeake. Ideas for other classic match ups ???
Hms Pearl 32 gun Niger class frigate v Santa Monica Spanish 26 gun frigate, 1779
29th of May 1794.
HMS Carysfort, 28 vs French Frigate Castor 32.
That also gets us a 28.
Rob.
If I remember correctly, this has been suggested before and the objection at that time was the need to include the rules, all the damage decks and two ship control mats with counters. There would be less saving on contents compared with the savings in the aeroplane packs.
Perhaps there could be a section in the Anchorage listing duels, their backstory, and how to tweak our existing ships?
They could be sold as expansion sets, not to include rules chits etc, as an expansion you need to own a base set to use
That was what I thought was the idea Chris.
Rob.
Sounds like a job for the Stats Committee Dobbs.
We put forward our choices here with the back story and the Stats com looks for best fit.
Rob.
That was my conception of it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capn Duff
B.
I own one of the Wings of Glory duel packs and would welcome a similar product for Sails of Glory. The duel packs would give the opportunity to add some more of the frigates to the US fleet such as Constellation vs Insurgente, President vs Endymion, United States vs Macedonian, Chesapeake vs Shannon, etc. I am less familiar with the British versus French duels, but I am sure there are additional options in that realm also (I have just picked up Commander, the biography of Edward Pellew, but haven't read it yet).
The duel packs could also give us additional captain cards to sweeten the pot. I would dearly like to see historical figures like Decatur, Hull, Broke, Pellew, etc.
Here is my backstory.
HMS Carysfort, 28 vs French Frigate Castor 32.
Attachment 41217
Capture of the Castor, May 29th 1794, Thomas Whitcombe, 1816
The frigate action of 29 May 1794—not to be confused with the much larger fleet action of 29 May 1794 that took place in the same waters at the same time—was a minor naval engagement of the French Revolutionary Wars between a Royal Navy frigate and a French Navy frigate. The action formed a minor part of the Atlantic campaign of May 1794, a campaign which culminated in the battle of the Glorious First of June, and was unusual in that the French ship Castor had only been in French hands for a few days at the time of the engagement. Castor had previously been a British ship, seized on 19 May by a French battle squadron in the Bay of Biscay and converted to French service while still at sea. While the main fleets manoeuvered around one another, Castor was detached in pursuit of a Dutch merchant ship and on 29 May encountered the smaller independently cruising British frigate HMS Carysfort.
Captain Francis Laforey on Carysfort immediately attacked the larger ship and in an engagement lasting an hour and fifteen minutes successfully forced its captain to surrender,
discovering a number of British prisoners of war below decks. Castor was subsequently taken back to Britain and an extended legal case ensued between the Admiralty and Captain Laforey over the amount of prize money that should be awarded for the victory. Ultimately Laforey was successful, in part due to testimony from the defeated French captain, proving his case and claiming the prize money. The lawsuit did not harm Laforey's career and he later served at the Battle of Trafalgar and became a prominent admiral.
Richard -- I agree wholeheartedly -- BTW I have said in another thread on this site that I really believe there is a thriving North American market for War of 1812 products from Ares. However being a European company they may have a Euro-centric marketing approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaDog7
Bill
If they are expansion sets, then great! :thumbsup:
HMS Speedy -vs- El Gamo - Would get us our missing 32 gun Xebec
U47 vs. HMS Royal Oak
Not quite what we are looking for my dear Comte. Unless this is one of Mr Fulton's submersibles.:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Comte de Brueys
Bligh.
Needs your backstory added please Michael.Quote:
Originally Posted by scourge
Rob.
Oh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bligh
So I keep the next one: "Moby Dick vs. Pequod" for myself. :smack:
Beside this, I like the idea of duel packs but would prefer some more special packs like HMS Victory or USS Constitution.
Borrowing from the Wikipedia:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bligh
'The Action of 6 May 1801 was a minor naval engagement between the 32-gun xebec-frigate El Gamo of the Spanish Navy under the command of Don Francisco de Torris and the much smaller 14-gun brig HMS Speedy under the command of Thomas, Lord Cochrane. El Gamo was subsequently captured. The skirmish is notable for the large disparity between the size and firepower of El Gamo and Speedy – the former was around four times the size, had much greater firepower and a crew six times the size of Speedy, which had a reduced crew of 54 at the time of the engagement.'
Patrick O'Brian used this action in Master and Commander. With HMS Sophie -vs- Cacafuego he changed the names but the details are the same. I suspect all you Napoleonic Nerds already knew this. ;)
Not at all as long as you give us the complete unexpurgated back story. :takecover:Quote:
Originally Posted by Comte de Brueys
Rob.:happy:
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Originally Posted by Bligh
I'll start...
"Call me Ishmael...":takecover:
There may be one or two to choose from...
American Revolutionary War
1776, July 27 - USS Reprisal and HMS Shark have an inconclusive engagement
1778, April 24 - USS Ranger captures HMS Drake. (details)
1779, May 7 USS Providence captures HMS Diligent
1779, September 10 - USS Morris defeats HMS West Florida in the Battle of Lake Pontchartrain.
1779, September 14 - HMS Pearl defeats the Spanish frigate Santa Mónica. (details)
1779, November 11 - HMS Tartar captures the Spanish frigate Santa Margarita. (details)
1780, June 1 - USS Trumbull engages the British privateer Watt; both ships withdraw
1780, August 11 - HMS Flora defeats the French ship Nymphe in the first engagement thought to involve the carronade.
1781, March 23 - British privateer Tarleton, of 14 guns, captures American letter of marque Tom Lee, of 12 guns.
1781, May 1 - HMS Canada captures the Spanish frigate Santa Leocadia. (details)
1781, September 6 - American privateer Congress captures the British sloop HMS Savage. (details)
1782, April 6 - American privateer Tartar captures HMS Jane
1782, April 8 - Pennsylvania privateer Hyder Ally captures HMS General Monk. (details)
1782, 9 August - HMS Duc de Chartres captures the French brig Aigle
1782, August 12 - Frigate HMS Coventry inconclusively engages the French frigate Bellone
1782, December 6 - HMS Ruby defeats the French ship Solitaire. (details)
1783, January 22 - HMS Hussar captures the French frigate Sybille. (details)
French Revolutionary Wars
1793, May 13 - HMS Iris and Citoyenne Française conduct an inconclusive but sanguinary engagement
1793, June 18 - HMS Nymphe captures the French frigate Cléopâtre (details)
1793, December 1 - The British packet ship Antelope captures the French privateer Atlante.
1794, May 29 - HMS Carysfort recaptures HMS Castor (details)
1794, September 5 - Merchantmen Esther repulses Républicaine
1795, January 4 - HMS Blanche captures Pique
1795, March 13 - HMS Lively captures the French frigate Tourterelle
1796, November 20 - Merchantman Wilding engages a French privateer that blows up during the engagement
1796, May 25 - HMS Suffisante captures the privateer Revanche
1796, June 6 - HMS Unicorn captures French frigate Tribune
1796, November 28 - The slave ship Tarleton repels two different French privateers on the same day, each engagement representing a single-ship action
1797, March 13 - HMS Viper captures Nuestra Señora de la Piedad.
1797, August 15 - HMS Alexander captures French privateer Coq
1797, October - HMS Alexander captures French privateer Epicharis
1797, December 22 - HMS Phoebe captures the French frigate Néréide
1797, December 27 - HMS Caroline captures the Spanish ship St Raphael
1798, January - 11 HMS Racoon captures the French privateer Policrate
1798, April 2 - HMS Mars captures the French ship Hercule
1798, April 17 - HMS Recovery captures the French privateer Revanche
1798, July 4 - French brig Lodi in an inconclusive engagement with the English privateer brig Acquila (probably Eagle)
1798, June 21 - His Majesty's packet ship Princess Royal repels the French privateer Avanture.(details)
1798, August 7 - HMS Espoir captures the Genoese pirate Liguria
1798, October 20 - HMS Racoon captures the French privateer Vigilante
1798, December 12 - HMS Perdrix captures the French privateer L'Armée d' Italie
1798, February 24 - French frigate Forte captures the East Indiaman Osterley, but then allows her to proceed.
1798, March 1 - HMS Sybille captures French frigate Forte.
1799, March 18 - HM hired brig Telegraph captures French privateer Hirondelle
1799, April 13 - HMS Amaranthe captures the French letter of marque Vengeur.
1799, November 23 - Hired cutter Courier captures French privateer Guerrier
1799, November 26 - Merchant ship Barton repels attack by a French privateer
1799, December 2 HMS Racoon captures French privateer Intrepide
1799, December 2 the British merchantman Achilles captures the French privateer corvette Entreprenante
1799, December 26 - HMS Viper captures the French privateer Furet
1800, March 5 - HMS Phoebe captures the privateer Heureux
1800, August 20 - HMS Seine captures the French ship Vengeance
1800, October 8 - HMS Gipsy captures the French privateer Quidproquo
1800, October - American merchant ship Rebecca repels French privateer Malartic
1800, November 11 - East Indiaman Phoenix captures French privateer Malartic.
1800, November 13 - HMS Milbrook defeats and drives off the French privateer Bellone
1800, October 7 - French privateer Confiance captures British East Indiaman Kent
1801, February 19 - HMS Phoebe captures the French frigate Africaine (details)*
1801, March 23 — HMS Albatross captures the French privateer Gloire
1801, April - British merchantman Union Island repels a Spanish privateer
1801, May - French privateer captures the British merchantman Union Island
1801, May 6 - HMS Speedy captures Spanish xebec frigate El Gamo
1801, August 18 - HMS Guachapin captures Spanish letter of marque Theresa
1801, September 25 - HMS Pickle has an inconclusive engagement with a privateer flying the Spanish colors off Hispaniola.
Quasi-War
1799, February 9 - USS Constellation captures the French frigate L'Insurgente (details)
1799, October 24 – Merchantman Washington drives off the French privateer frigate Bellone
1800, February 1 - USS Constellation defeats the French frigate La Vengeance (details)
1800, October 12 - USS Boston captures the French corvette Berceau (details)
1800, October 25 - USS Enterprise captures French privateer Flambeau (details)
Napoleonic Wars
1803, May 18 - HMS Doris captures the French lugger Affronteur on the first day of the war.
1803, July 7 - French privateer Blonde captures the British privateer Young Nicholas
1803, July 16 - HMS Racoon captures French brig-corvette Lodi.
1803, August 13 - French privateer Bellone captures the East Indiaman Lord Nelson
1803, August 17 - HMS Racoon destroys French naval brig Mutine.
1803, August 27 - HMS Seagull recaptures the East Indiaman Lord Nelson.
1804, February 5 - HMS Eclair engages the 22-gun French privateer Grande Decide.
1804, March 21 - French privateer Blonde captures and sinks HMS Wolverine.
1804, March 9 - French privateer Grande Decide captures British merchantman Caldicot Castle
1804, March 25 or 28 - HMS Hippomenes captures French privateer Egyptienne
1804, June 21 - HMS Hippomenes unsuccessfully engages the Guadeloupe privateer Buonaparte.
1804, July 15 - French privateer Dame Ambert captures HMS Lilly
1804, July 31 - HMS Tartar captures French privateer Hirondelle
1804, August 14 – French frigate Poursuivante captures English merchantman Juno
1804, August 5 - Merchantman Britannia repels attack by French privateer General Ernouf
1804, January 26 - Merchantman Scarborough repels attack by a French privateer
1804, September 12 – Policy captures Dutch merchantman Swift
1804, December 27 – Slave ship Lord Nelson repels attack by a French privateer
1805, February 8 - HMS Curieux captures French privateer Dame Ernouf
1805, February 13 - HMS San Fiorenzo captures French frigate Psyche
1805, March 10 - Private ship of war Kitty captures the Spanish private ship of war Felicity
1805, March 20 - French privateer Général Ernouf explodes during an engagement with HMS Renard
1805, July 19 - French frigate Topaze captures HMS Blanche
1805, August 10 - HMS Phoenix captures Didon
1805, August 16 - HMS Raisonable vs French frigate Topaze
1805, November - HMS Wolverine vs HMS Amethyst
1805, November 4 - French privateer Creole captures slaver and merchantman Esther
1805, November 28 - Inconclusive engagement between the French privateer Bellone and the East Indiaman Admiral Gardner.
1806, January 23 - French privateer captures and sinks HMS Unique
1806, February 15 - HMS Grenada captures the French letter of marque Princess Murat
1806, February - French privateer Hebe captures British merchantman Shipley
1806, March 3–4 - French brig Observateur vs. an unknown British post ship
1806, May 11 - French ship Abeille captures HMS Alacrity
1806, May 14 - HMS Pallas vs French Minerve
1806, May 25 - Merchant ship Barton repels attack by French privateer Fairey
1806, July 19 - HMS Blanche captures French Guerrière
1806, June 21 - French frigate Piémontaise captures the East Indiaman Warren Hastings at 26°13′S 56°45′W
1806, October 25 – Spanish privateer mistico Generalísimo captures HM gunboat Hannah
1806, October 26 - HMS Pitt captures the French privateer Superbe
1806, December 29 - HMS Spitfire captures French privateer Deux Frères
1807, January 3 - HMS Pickle captures the French privateer Favorite.
1807, April 25 - French privateer Dame Villaret captures Wanstead
1807, August 19 - HMS Comus captures the Danish frigate Fredericksvaern.
1807, October 1 - British packet ship Windsor Castle captures the French privateer Jeune Richard. (details)
1807, October 17 - HMS Superieure captures the French privateer schooner Tape a L’Oeil.
1807, December 3 - HMS Curieux has an inconclusive engagement with French privateer Revanche
1808, March 2 - HMS Sappho captures Danish privateer Admiral Yawl
1808, March 6–8 - HMS San Fiorenzo captures French frigate Piémontaise
1808, March 14 - - HDMS Lougen engages in an inconclusive action with HMS Childers
1808, May 11 and 12 - HMS Wizard vs French 16-gun brig of war Requin, later captured by HMS Volage
1808, June 24 - HMS Salsette captures the Russian cutter Opyt
1808, July 5 and 6 - HMS Seahorse captures Turkish frigate Badere Zaffer[1]
1808, August 11 - HMS Comet captures French corvette Sylphe
1808, September 6 - HMS Recruit vs French corvette Diligente
1808, September 29 - French navy corvette Départment-des-Landes captures HMS Maria
1808, October 3 - French brig Palinure captures HMS Carnation
1809, August 7 - The Liverpool merchantman Lascelles repels an attack by a French privateer
1810, January 11 - HMS Scorpion captures French brig Oreste
1810, August 10 - His Majesty's Hired armed cutter Queen Charlotte drives off a substantially larger and more heavily armed French vessel.
1810, November 1 - The French privateer Spéculateur captures the merchant ship Leander.
1811, early - HMS Gleaner captures an Ottoman polacca off Samos
1812, July 21 - HMS Sealark captures the French privateer Ville de Caen
1812, December 1 - French privateer Sans Souci captures the South Seas whaler Frederick
1812, December 1810 – HMS Spy repelled an attack by a French privateer
1813, February 7 - HMS Amelia and the French frigate Aréthuse engage in an inconclusive but sanguinary four-hour night battle
1813, September 10 - French privateer cutter Renard destroys the schooner HMS Alphea
1814, March 27 - HMS Hebrus captures French frigate Étoile
First Barbary War
1801, August 1 - United States Navy warship USS Enterprise captures Tripolitanian corsair Tripoli near Malta. (details)
War of 1812
1807, June 22 Chesapeake–Leopard Affair - HMS Leopard boards USS Chesapeake
1811, May 16 Little Belt Affair - USS President fires on HMS Little Belt
1812, June 18 - USS Essex captures HMS Alert
1812, August 19 - USS Constitution defeats HMS Guerriere
1812, August 22 - HMS Barbados defeats US Revenue Cutter James Madison
1812, September 8 - French privateer brig Diligent (or Diligente or Diligence) captures the schooner HMS Laura
1812, September 16 - American privateer Rossie captures the packet Princess Amelia
1812, October 18 - USS Wasp defeats HMS Frolic
1812, October 18 - HMS Poictiers defeats USS Wasp
1812, October 25 - USS United States captures HMS Macedonian
1812, November 22 - HMS Southampton captures USS Vixen
1812, December 11 - American privateer Saratoga captures the British letter of marque Rachel in the Battle of La Guaira
1812, December 29 - USS Constitution destroys HMS Java
1813, January 17 - HMS Narcissus captures USS Viper
1813, January 25 - The American privateer Dolphin captures the merchantman Hebe
1813, February 24 - USS Hornet defeats HMS Peacock
1813, March 11 — HMS Coquette and the American privateer General Armstrong have an inconclusive engagement
1813, May 23 - HMS Highflyer vs. Virginia privateer schooner Roger
1813, May 28 – USS Georgiana captures the whaler Hector
1813, June 1 - HMS Shannon captures USS Chesapeake in the Battle of Boston Harbor
1813, August 5 - Privateer Decatur captures HMS Dominica
1813, August 14 - HMS Pelican captures USS Argus
1813, September 5 - USS Enterprise captures HMS Boxer
1813, September 23 - USS President captures HMS Highflyer
1813, October 22 - US Revenue Cutter Vigilant defeats Canadian privateer Dart
1813, December 14 - Sir William Bensley repels an attack by a 20-gun American privateer schooner
1813, December 25 - HMS Belvidera captures USS Vixen II
1814, January 11 - British merchantman Hibernia drives off the American privateer Comet
1814, February - HMS Epervier captures American privateer-brig Alfred
1814, February 14 - USS Constitution destroys HMS Pictou
1814, March 14 - Hannah repelled an attack by the American privateer Jacob Johns
1814, March 28 - HMS Phoebe captures USS Essex in the Battle of Valparaiso
1814, April 19 - The American privateer General Armstrong captures the British letter-of-marque Fanny
1814, April 20 - HMS Shelburne, with HMS Orpheus approaching, captures USS Frolic
1814, April 29 - USS Peacock captures HMS Epervier
1814, June 22 - HMS Leander captures USS Rattlesnake
1814, June 28 - USS Wasp captures HMS Reindeer
1814, July 12 - American privateer Syren captures HMS Landrail
1814, July 12 - HMS Medway captures USS Syren
1814, August 17 - The transport Atlas repels an attack by the U.S. privateer York
1814, September 1 - USS Wasp sinks HMS Avon
1814, October 11 - HMS Dispatch defeats US Revenue Cutter Eagle
1814, October 11 - American privateer Prince de Neufchatel resists HMS Endymion
1815, January 15 - HMS Endymion defeats USS President
1815, January 28 - American privateer Surprise captures the British merchantman Star
1815, March 23 - USS Hornet captures HMS Penguin
1815, June 15 - USS Peacock captures Nautilus, a brig of the Bombay Marine of the East India Company
List of single ship actions picked from Wikipedia
:erk: Backstories please Jonas! :sly:
Rob.
Thanks Michael.Quote:
Originally Posted by scourge
Rob.
My suggestion backstory
The Action of 14 September 1779 was a minor naval engagement between the British Royal Naval frigate HMS Pearl and the Spanish frigate Santa Mónica off the Azores during the Anglo-Spanish War.
The Spanish Navy had been patrolling the Azores since July with a small squadron of ships under of Lt. Gen. Don Antonio de Ulloa, with his flagship Fenix, ships of the line Gallardo, Diligent and San Julián, and the frigates Santa Maria and Santa Mónica.
On 14 September, Pearl, Captain George Montagu while cruising off the Azores in the early hours of the morning chased a large ship which turned out to be Santa Mónica under the command of Don Miguel de Nunes.
At 09:30am, Pearl caught up with Santa Mónica and commenced action. After fighting for two hours, Santa Mónica had become severely damaged and had 38 men killed and 45 wounded; de Nunes therefore struck her colours. Santa Mónica was a new ship, mounting 26 long 12-pounder guns on her main deck, and two 4-pounders on her quarter-deck, with a crew of 271 men. Santa Mónica in addition was larger than Pearl. Pearl was little damaged except in her rigging; she had suffered a loss of 12 men killed and 19 wounded.
:hatsoff: Thank you for that Captain Duff.
Bligh.
Jonas -- what a comprehensive list ! Thank you ! If Ares considers this option you have given them lots of options. I'm impressed.
Bill
If they did HMS Endymion vs. USS President they'd have to include the rest of the pursuing British squadron! :takecover:
Why's that?
Presumably to share the prize money Dave.:moneygone:
Incidentally this is another suggestion which needs its back story please Eric.
Rob.
I think you know the answer. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by David Manley
All joking aside I do think it would make a good dual pack as a hypothetical 1v1 frigate dual, a "what if" type situation.
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Originally Posted by Bligh
Without the rest of the squadron, the day would have gone to President. Endymion just managed to slow her down! But, give us the backstory, Eric. It's a good story.