View Poll Results: Which 'Rate' of ship are you most interested in playing?

Voters
103. You may not vote on this poll
  • 1st and or 2nd rates (90 + gun ships, 3 deckers)

    18 17.48%
  • 3rd rates (64 to 80 gun ships, 2 deckers)

    32 31.07%
  • 4-6th rates (roughly 30 to 60 ships, 4th rates were 2 deckers, 5th and 6th rates had 1 deck)

    39 37.86%
  • 'Unrated' (includes most naval/privateer vessels with <= 24 guns)

    14 13.59%
Results 1 to 48 of 48

Thread: Which 'Rate' of ship are you most interested in playing?

  1. #1
    Ordinary Seaman
    United States

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Boise Idaho
    Log Entries
    26
    Name
    Leif

    Default Which 'Rate' of ship are you most interested in playing?

    Hi,
    Just curious which Rate or class of ships would you most like to play in the forth coming Sails of Glory game?

    1: 1st and or 2nd rates (90 + gun ships, 3 deckers)
    2: 3rd rates (64 to 80 gun ships, 2 deckers)
    3: 4-6th rates (roughly 30 to 60 gun ships, 4th rates were 2 deckers, 5th and 6th rates had 1 deck)
    4: 'Unrated' (includes most naval/privateer vessels with <= 24 guns such as Corvettes, Sloops, Brigs, Xebecs, Schooners, etc)

    Sorry I don't know how make this an actual 'poll' but if you'd just reply that would be fine with me.

    Leif
    Last edited by RedLeif; 03-06-2013 at 11:17.

  2. #2
    Landsman
    United States

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Connecticut
    Log Entries
    20
    Name
    Christopher

    Default

    I'm torn... whereas I have a ton of respect for the workhorses of the fleet (3rd Rates, especially British 74's, the heart of the best navy in the world during the time in question), I love the idea of frigate actions (5th & 6th Rates, although the American frigates where so over-gunned as to be almost 4th Rates). Smaller engagement sizes equals (typically) quicker game play and less of an impact on the wallet.

    Chris

  3. #3
    Retired Admiral of the Fleet
    Admiral
    United States

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Chicago/Bloomington IL
    Log Entries
    5,095
    Name
    Eric

    Default

    I am growing fonder of smaller engagements, especially those involving frigates. Thirty years ago, it was all ships-of-the-line.

    At the bottom of the page when you create a poll, there is a section that asks you how many options you want. Once you fill that section out, the rest will appear. Try editing your post and see if you can add one.

  4. #4
    Ordinary Seaman
    United States

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Boise Idaho
    Log Entries
    26
    Name
    Leif

    Default

    Sorry this is almost the same question as asked in "The ship I want to command" poll by Comte de Brueys.

  5. #5
    First Naval Lord
    United States

    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Colorado
    Log Entries
    1,563
    Name
    Keith

    Default Which 'Rate' of ship are you most interested in playing?

    I added the poll to it for you. Before you submit a thread, there are a bunch of options down below where you enter your text. You will find the Poll stuff there.

  6. #6
    2nd Lieutenant
    Germany

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Nordrhein-Westfalen
    Log Entries
    727
    Name
    Ulrich

    Default

    For me the 4-6th rate ships, frigates specially, and of course one of the fast American frigates...:cool:
    ...for free hunting....

  7. #7

    Default

    1st rate of course!

    Name: Commerce de Paris
    Builders: Toulon (Commerce de Paris), Rochefort (Iéna). Plans by Jacques-Noël Sané
    Operators: French Navy
    Preceded by: Océan
    In service: 15-6-1807 - April 1884
    Planned: 6
    Completed: 2
    Cancelled: 4
    General characteristics
    Type: 110-gun ship of the line
    Length: 62.5 metres
    Beam: 16.3 metres
    Draught: 8.1 metres
    Complement: 1,069 men
    Armament:

    110 guns (nominally), 114 guns (actual):
    lower deck: 30 36-pound guns
    middle deck: 32 24-pound guns
    upper deck: 32 12-pound guns
    Castles: 10 8-pound guns
    10 36-pounder carronades
    Armour: Timber
    Notes: Ships in class include: Commerce de Paris, Duc d'Angoulême
    Attached Images Attached Images  
    Last edited by Comte de Brueys; 04-23-2015 at 14:38.

  8. #8
    2nd Lieutenant
    Germany

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Nordrhein-Westfalen
    Log Entries
    727
    Name
    Ulrich

    Default

    That is an interesting picture.., where is it from?

  9. #9

  10. #10
    2nd Lieutenant
    Germany

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Nordrhein-Westfalen
    Log Entries
    727
    Name
    Ulrich

    Default

    thanks, fine pictures and drawings..

  11. #11
    Retired Admiral of the Fleet
    Admiral
    United States

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Chicago/Bloomington IL
    Log Entries
    5,095
    Name
    Eric

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Comte de Brueys View Post
    Thanks for the link. I enjoy pictures and drawings of Age-of-Sail ships very much. Some very nice images here.

  12. #12
    2nd Lieutenant
    Germany

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Nordrhein-Westfalen
    Log Entries
    727
    Name
    Ulrich

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Aubrey View Post
    thanks, fine pictures and drawings..
    Sorry, there must be "great pictures and drawings", my teacher told me....;) ....because "fine" will be missunderstood..

  13. #13
    Ordinary Seaman
    United States

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Boise Idaho
    Log Entries
    26
    Name
    Leif

    Default

    Honorable Comte de Brueys - thanks for taking part in my poll despite it proximity in nature to your own. I second the appreciation of choice of your posted image and thank you for the link.

    Leif

  14. #14

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLeif View Post
    Hi,
    Just curious which Rate or class of ships would you most like to play in the forth coming Sails of Glory game?

    1: 1st and or 2nd rates (90 + gun ships, 3 deckers)
    2: 3rd rates (64 to 80 gun ships, 2 deckers)
    3: 4-6th rates (roughly 30 to 60 ships, 4th rates were 2 deckers, 5th and 6th rates had 1 deck)
    4: 'Unrated' (includes most naval/privateer vessels with <= 24 guns such as Corvettes, Sloops, Brigs, Xebecs, Schooners, etc)

    Sorry I don't know how make this an actual 'poll' but if you'd just reply that would be fine with me.

    Leif
    Thought I had responded to this - must have been the other one. Unrated for me - ship rigged sloop of war - less constraints of squadron duty, more independant command, and more prizes!

  15. #15

    Default

    I like the 74's, not as nimble as the frigates, as glamorous as the first rates but they were the work horses of fleet action and could go toe to toe with just about anything. Having multiple gun platforms and a range of ordinance plus the ability to send cutting out parties, the survivability to take a mountain of punishment and the ability to fight in line or alone they represent all that is interesting in the naval period of the time.

  16. #16

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Berthier View Post
    I like the 74's, not as nimble as the frigates, as glamorous as the first rates but they were the work horses of fleet action and could go toe to toe with just about anything. Having multiple gun platforms and a range of ordinance plus the ability to send cutting out parties, the survivability to take a mountain of punishment and the ability to fight in line or alone they represent all that is interesting in the naval period of the time.
    Daniel,

    I like the 74's too and the fact there were 3 sizes. But in reading William James' Naval History of Great Britain, the lions share of the cutting out expeditions appears to have been performed by the frigate crews.
    Last edited by Volunteer; 03-02-2013 at 23:27.

  17. #17

    Default

    I voted for 4-6th rates for the reasons stated above. I think SOG will lend itself well to frigate actions. I am also with Vol. as to the unrated ships as my interest is to the War of 1812 at the moment - lake actions and cutting out actions by boats against schnooners and sloops!

    Eric

  18. #18
    Midshipman
    United States

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    NH
    Log Entries
    365
    Name
    Lawrence

    Default

    I voted for the Third Rate ships as "most interested" because I really AM most interested in a few of them. :-) But from the perspective of what I can see myself collecting the most of and playing more often I'm sure Frigates will dominate my collection. My tendencies in most war games are more to maneuverability vs. overwhelming firepower...as long as the maneuverable combatant has a chance of causing damage of course.

    Of course, I'm also pre-ordering HMS Victory. So that goes to show you just how firm I am in my convictions.

  19. #19
    2nd Lieutenant
    UK

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Dorset
    Log Entries
    961
    Name
    Rory

    Default

    I would say all. But as it is not in the poll, 3rd rate for me.
    Be safe
    Rory

  20. #20
    Midshipman
    United States

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Ohio
    Log Entries
    111
    Name
    Paul

    Default

    I'm really looking forward to seeing/playing with the Frigates (especially the original US Six).

  21. #21
    Landsman
    United States

    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    WA
    Log Entries
    18
    Name
    Michael

    Default

    74's for fleet actions, frigates for one on one.

  22. #22
    Master & Commander
    United States

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Washington
    Log Entries
    1,601
    Name
    Paul

    Smile

    Quote Originally Posted by Comte de Brueys View Post
    Thank you very much for the excellent link Sven.

  23. #23
    Master & Commander
    United States

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Washington
    Log Entries
    1,601
    Name
    Paul

    Default

    Frigates for me. More action all around.

  24. #24
    Able Seaman
    Israel

    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    North
    Log Entries
    87
    Name
    Avi

    Default

    It looks like Frigates have more fun with more maneuverability.
    But it would be interesting to have some unmatched encounters -
    How many Frigates does it take to switch a 1st rate....

  25. #25
    Retired Admiral of the Fleet
    Admiral
    United States

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Chicago/Bloomington IL
    Log Entries
    5,095
    Name
    Eric

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Avi View Post
    But it would be interesting to have some unmatched encounters -
    How many Frigates does it take to switch a 1st rate....
    Avi, we have had two conversations, if memory serves me right, on this recently:
    http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...ghlight=uneven

    I have been searching for the other thread, but have not found it yet. I will post it here once I do.

    Here are two other threads that discuss or point to scenarios:
    http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...stal-Scenarios
    http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...tion-1793-1801

  26. #26
    Captain of the Fleet
    Captain
    UK

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Glos
    Log Entries
    2,245
    Name
    Chris

    Default

    3rd rate SOL for me

  27. #27
    2nd Lieutenant
    United States

    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Virginia
    Log Entries
    576
    Name
    Paul

    Default

    I must admit that having two battle lines of 1st, 2nd, & 3rd rates slowly moving along banging away at each other is my favored choice. Though as any Captain worth his salt will tell you nothing can display your abilities better then commanding a frigate, and taking on an enemy frigate one on one! As Jack would say; "Surprise is on our side!"

  28. #28
    2nd Lieutenant
    Serbia

    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Србија
    Log Entries
    539
    Name
    Heмaњa

    Default

    Actually, none of the above - I prefere fleet actions.

  29. #29
    Midshipman
    Canada

    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Alberta
    Log Entries
    339
    Name
    Darell

    Default

    3rd rates I think

  30. #30
    Midshipman
    United States

    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    New York
    Log Entries
    175
    Name
    Steven

    Default

    I think I would go with a 3rd rate, but there's something cool about a sloop. Cheers !!!

  31. #31
    Stats Committee
    Captain
    Sweden

    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Linköping
    Log Entries
    3,943
    Blog Entries
    6
    Name
    Jonas

    Default

    I think third rates are a good combination of firepower, ruggedness and maneuverability.
    I'm curious though how heavy frigates will play.

  32. #32

    Default

    Nobody writes about the comfort of the admiral's quarter on board of a first rate...

    I'm 38 now.

    That's why I choosed a 1st rate in this thread 2 years ago.

  33. #33
    Stats Committee
    Captain
    Sweden

    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Linköping
    Log Entries
    3,943
    Blog Entries
    6
    Name
    Jonas

    Default

    I've been aboard Victory and seen Nelsons bed between two guns. I still prefer the third rate.

  34. #34
    2nd Lieutenant
    United States

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Arizona
    Log Entries
    568
    Blog Entries
    3
    Name
    Kenneth

    Default

    I like lopsided engagements. The differences between ships aren't so great that they are insurmountable. Yes, a 1st rate will blow a frigate out of the water long before the frigate has any chance of doing the same, but you have to catch it first, then bring your guns to bear long enough to get a broadside off. Blockade running with a 1st rate is my favorite type of action right now. A frigate engaging a first rater just long enough for a 74 to come help out makes for nail biting decisions. Can the frigate stay engaged long enough for the 74 to show up? Can the frigate inflict enough damage that when the 74 finally gets there, it has a fighting chance? Are you willing to sacrifice the frigate, or stand off out of range until the 74 shows up? Can you safely get your other blockade runners across the game space and out the other side, or do they have to turn back and come to the rescue of the first rater? Putting fresh ships in at different times during the game is more realistic than just pitting one ship against another. If you almost have your opponents ship ready to strike it's colors and you see a new set of sails on the horizon bearing down full sail, it forces you to decide whether to disengage and run, finish off the other ship and turn to meet the new threat, or every type of action in between. I just fought a scenario just like this a couple of days ago and the frigate actually managed to destroy the foremast of the 1st rater. This gave the late arriving 74 a much better chance.

  35. #35
    Able Seaman
    UK

    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    South Yorkshire
    Log Entries
    66
    Name
    Chris

    Default

    While I fully appreciate the many informed comments previously posted regarding the smaller ships, for me size is everything, British 100 gun triple deckers all the way, HMS Victory in the post as we speak, lol
    (better buy some Frenchies as well to keep a balanced set of fleets - damn hadn't thought about that - need pocket money increase....)

  36. #36
    Admiral of the Fleet.
    Baron
    England

    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Notts
    Log Entries
    22,530
    Blog Entries
    22
    Name
    Rob

    Default

    You can't beat a nippy Frigate in my opinion.
    Bligh.

  37. #37
    Midshipman
    Australia

    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Queensland
    Log Entries
    217
    Name
    Alastair

    Default

    I like 3rd rates, but give the chance I will always take a sloop or frigate.

  38. #38
    Able Seaman
    Canada

    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    ontario
    Log Entries
    81
    Name
    shane

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLeif View Post
    Hi,
    Just curious which Rate or class of ships would you most like to play in the forth coming Sails of Glory game?

    1: 1st and or 2nd rates (90 + gun ships, 3 deckers)
    2: 3rd rates (64 to 80 gun ships, 2 deckers)
    3: 4-6th rates (roughly 30 to 60 gun ships, 4th rates were 2 deckers, 5th and 6th rates had 1 deck)
    4: 'Unrated' (includes most naval/privateer vessels with <= 24 guns such as Corvettes, Sloops, Brigs, Xebecs, Schooners, etc)

    Sorry I don't know how make this an actual 'poll' but if you'd just reply that would be fine with me.

    Leif

    I am partial to the big boys............... 1, 2 and third rates.. There is just something about fleet actions that gets my goat. Ships of the line going toe to toe with boarding actions, explosions.............yup love the smell of cordite and british rum in the morning :)

  39. #39
    Captain of the Fleet
    Captain
    UK

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Glos
    Log Entries
    2,245
    Name
    Chris

    Default

    Having played numerous games , I still prefer using the larger rates 1-3, not used a 64 yet or the new 50 frigates

  40. #40
    Admiral of the Fleet.
    Baron
    England

    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Notts
    Log Entries
    22,530
    Blog Entries
    22
    Name
    Rob

    Default

    I'm still a Frigate man at heart Chris, although I'd like to have a go with a Razee to see how it handles.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

  41. #41
    Captain of the Fleet
    Captain
    UK

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Glos
    Log Entries
    2,245
    Name
    Chris

    Default

    Maybe we can try out during a game this coming weekend Rob, in prearation for the Other Partizan show on Sunday, Essign Patch and myself intend to be at your home port around 1400 on Saturday. If this still ok with you

  42. #42
    Admiral of the Fleet.
    Baron
    England

    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Notts
    Log Entries
    22,530
    Blog Entries
    22
    Name
    Rob

    Default

    We look forward to seeing you both on Saturday for sure, or should that read fore shore?
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

  43. #43
    Midshipman
    England

    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Sussex
    Log Entries
    280
    Name
    Steve

    Default

    Being a Portsmouth fan I had to go for first raters like Victory!

  44. #44
    Midshipman
    UK

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Nottinghamshire
    Log Entries
    106
    Name
    Gary

    Default

    1st and 2nd rates would be my main ships. I like making big booms! Then have a few smaller ships as support.

  45. #45
    Ordinary Seaman
    United States

    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Location
    Long Beach, California
    Log Entries
    41
    Name
    Bob

    Default

    I have always liked frigates. Ships of the line, while great are to my mind slow and ponderous. If I had lived in the era I would have had to think long and hard before accepting a ship of the line even though I know it would have at the time been considered the logical step. That freedom dictated by a frigate would be hard to leave.

  46. #46
    Admiral of the Fleet.
    Baron
    England

    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Notts
    Log Entries
    22,530
    Blog Entries
    22
    Name
    Rob

    Default

    Morning Robert.
    It never ceases to amaze me how some Captains such as Pellew or Cochrane managed to hang on to their Frigates as long as they did, whilst other Captains got moved to a 50 or 74 as soon as a cruise was over and their Frigate went in for repairs.
    Seems that some had no choice about where the Admiralty deployed them!
    At least we can pick and choose which ships we prefer to sail.
    My personal favourite is a Razee or super Frigate like the American ones. Agility, freedom of command mixed with firepower.
    The best of all worlds, combined with the chance for lots of prize money.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

  47. #47
    Stats Committee
    2nd Lieutenant
    United States

    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Location
    New York
    Log Entries
    745
    Name
    Bill

    Default

    I lived just outside of Boston for several years -- while there I visited the U.S.S. Constitution often -- I loved "hanging about" on the gun deck and imagining the organized chaos, smoke, and noise when she was in action. Hence I am partial to her and answered the poll above accordingly. Once per year she is towed out of the Charlestown Navy yard around Boston Harbor so that she can keep her commission as an active ship. I have an old watercolor of that event hanging in my painting area. Not surprisingly "Old Ironsides" was my first Sails of Glory purchase.
    I've edited the post to add a photo of the watercolor I have hanging over my hobby workbench.
    Name:  Constitution.jpg
Views: 1009
Size:  98.2 KB
    Last edited by Wentworth; 11-18-2017 at 14:37.

  48. #48
    Able Seaman
    Canada

    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    ontario
    Log Entries
    81
    Name
    shane

    Default

    I am a "Tank lover", so anything really big, creates lots of smoke, and blows things up in spectacular fashion are up my alley. Guess you can say I am the ship of the line type of commander. I also like the close , in your face, type of fight so they pretty much fit my play style. I am happy being the anchor of a line with all the big boys so you little guys can run around taking pot shots :P

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •