View Poll Results: Which 'Rate' of ship are you most interested in playing?

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  • 1st and or 2nd rates (90 + gun ships, 3 deckers)

    18 19.35%
  • 3rd rates (64 to 80 gun ships, 2 deckers)

    29 31.18%
  • 4-6th rates (roughly 30 to 60 ships, 4th rates were 2 deckers, 5th and 6th rates had 1 deck)

    34 36.56%
  • 'Unrated' (includes most naval/privateer vessels with <= 24 guns)

    12 12.90%
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    Default Which 'Rate' of ship are you most interested in playing?

    Hi,
    Just curious which Rate or class of ships would you most like to play in the forth coming Sails of Glory game?

    1: 1st and or 2nd rates (90 + gun ships, 3 deckers)
    2: 3rd rates (64 to 80 gun ships, 2 deckers)
    3: 4-6th rates (roughly 30 to 60 gun ships, 4th rates were 2 deckers, 5th and 6th rates had 1 deck)
    4: 'Unrated' (includes most naval/privateer vessels with <= 24 guns such as Corvettes, Sloops, Brigs, Xebecs, Schooners, etc)

    Sorry I don't know how make this an actual 'poll' but if you'd just reply that would be fine with me.

    Leif
    Last edited by RedLeif; 03-06-2013 at 11:17.

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    I'm torn... whereas I have a ton of respect for the workhorses of the fleet (3rd Rates, especially British 74's, the heart of the best navy in the world during the time in question), I love the idea of frigate actions (5th & 6th Rates, although the American frigates where so over-gunned as to be almost 4th Rates). Smaller engagement sizes equals (typically) quicker game play and less of an impact on the wallet.

    Chris

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    I am growing fonder of smaller engagements, especially those involving frigates. Thirty years ago, it was all ships-of-the-line.

    At the bottom of the page when you create a poll, there is a section that asks you how many options you want. Once you fill that section out, the rest will appear. Try editing your post and see if you can add one.

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    Sorry this is almost the same question as asked in "The ship I want to command" poll by Comte de Brueys.

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    Default Which 'Rate' of ship are you most interested in playing?

    I added the poll to it for you. Before you submit a thread, there are a bunch of options down below where you enter your text. You will find the Poll stuff there.

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    For me the 4-6th rate ships, frigates specially, and of course one of the fast American frigates...:cool:
    ...for free hunting....

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    1st rate of course!

    Name: Commerce de Paris
    Builders: Toulon (Commerce de Paris), Rochefort (Iéna). Plans by Jacques-Noël Sané
    Operators: French Navy
    Preceded by: Océan
    In service: 15-6-1807 - April 1884
    Planned: 6
    Completed: 2
    Cancelled: 4
    General characteristics
    Type: 110-gun ship of the line
    Length: 62.5 metres
    Beam: 16.3 metres
    Draught: 8.1 metres
    Complement: 1,069 men
    Armament:

    110 guns (nominally), 114 guns (actual):
    lower deck: 30 36-pound guns
    middle deck: 32 24-pound guns
    upper deck: 32 12-pound guns
    Castles: 10 8-pound guns
    10 36-pounder carronades
    Armour: Timber
    Notes: Ships in class include: Commerce de Paris, Duc d'Angoulême
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    Last edited by Comte de Brueys; 04-23-2015 at 14:38.

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    That is an interesting picture.., where is it from?

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    thanks, fine pictures and drawings..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comte de Brueys View Post
    Thanks for the link. I enjoy pictures and drawings of Age-of-Sail ships very much. Some very nice images here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Aubrey View Post
    thanks, fine pictures and drawings..
    Sorry, there must be "great pictures and drawings", my teacher told me....;) ....because "fine" will be missunderstood..

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    Honorable Comte de Brueys - thanks for taking part in my poll despite it proximity in nature to your own. I second the appreciation of choice of your posted image and thank you for the link.

    Leif

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLeif View Post
    Hi,
    Just curious which Rate or class of ships would you most like to play in the forth coming Sails of Glory game?

    1: 1st and or 2nd rates (90 + gun ships, 3 deckers)
    2: 3rd rates (64 to 80 gun ships, 2 deckers)
    3: 4-6th rates (roughly 30 to 60 ships, 4th rates were 2 deckers, 5th and 6th rates had 1 deck)
    4: 'Unrated' (includes most naval/privateer vessels with <= 24 guns such as Corvettes, Sloops, Brigs, Xebecs, Schooners, etc)

    Sorry I don't know how make this an actual 'poll' but if you'd just reply that would be fine with me.

    Leif
    Thought I had responded to this - must have been the other one. Unrated for me - ship rigged sloop of war - less constraints of squadron duty, more independant command, and more prizes!

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    I like the 74's, not as nimble as the frigates, as glamorous as the first rates but they were the work horses of fleet action and could go toe to toe with just about anything. Having multiple gun platforms and a range of ordinance plus the ability to send cutting out parties, the survivability to take a mountain of punishment and the ability to fight in line or alone they represent all that is interesting in the naval period of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berthier View Post
    I like the 74's, not as nimble as the frigates, as glamorous as the first rates but they were the work horses of fleet action and could go toe to toe with just about anything. Having multiple gun platforms and a range of ordinance plus the ability to send cutting out parties, the survivability to take a mountain of punishment and the ability to fight in line or alone they represent all that is interesting in the naval period of the time.
    Daniel,

    I like the 74's too and the fact there were 3 sizes. But in reading William James' Naval History of Great Britain, the lions share of the cutting out expeditions appears to have been performed by the frigate crews.
    Last edited by Volunteer; 03-02-2013 at 23:27.

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    I voted for 4-6th rates for the reasons stated above. I think SOG will lend itself well to frigate actions. I am also with Vol. as to the unrated ships as my interest is to the War of 1812 at the moment - lake actions and cutting out actions by boats against schnooners and sloops!

    Eric

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    I voted for the Third Rate ships as "most interested" because I really AM most interested in a few of them. :-) But from the perspective of what I can see myself collecting the most of and playing more often I'm sure Frigates will dominate my collection. My tendencies in most war games are more to maneuverability vs. overwhelming firepower...as long as the maneuverable combatant has a chance of causing damage of course.

    Of course, I'm also pre-ordering HMS Victory. So that goes to show you just how firm I am in my convictions.

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    I would say all. But as it is not in the poll, 3rd rate for me.
    Be safe
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    I'm really looking forward to seeing/playing with the Frigates (especially the original US Six).

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    74's for fleet actions, frigates for one on one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comte de Brueys View Post
    Thank you very much for the excellent link Sven.

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    Frigates for me. More action all around.

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    It looks like Frigates have more fun with more maneuverability.
    But it would be interesting to have some unmatched encounters -
    How many Frigates does it take to switch a 1st rate....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avi View Post
    But it would be interesting to have some unmatched encounters -
    How many Frigates does it take to switch a 1st rate....
    Avi, we have had two conversations, if memory serves me right, on this recently:
    http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...ghlight=uneven

    I have been searching for the other thread, but have not found it yet. I will post it here once I do.

    Here are two other threads that discuss or point to scenarios:
    http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...stal-Scenarios
    http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...tion-1793-1801

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    3rd rate SOL for me

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    I must admit that having two battle lines of 1st, 2nd, & 3rd rates slowly moving along banging away at each other is my favored choice. Though as any Captain worth his salt will tell you nothing can display your abilities better then commanding a frigate, and taking on an enemy frigate one on one! As Jack would say; "Surprise is on our side!"

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    Actually, none of the above - I prefere fleet actions.

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    3rd rates I think

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    I think I would go with a 3rd rate, but there's something cool about a sloop. Cheers !!!

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    I think third rates are a good combination of firepower, ruggedness and maneuverability.
    I'm curious though how heavy frigates will play.

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    Nobody writes about the comfort of the admiral's quarter on board of a first rate...

    I'm 38 now.

    That's why I choosed a 1st rate in this thread 2 years ago.

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    I've been aboard Victory and seen Nelsons bed between two guns. I still prefer the third rate.

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    I like lopsided engagements. The differences between ships aren't so great that they are insurmountable. Yes, a 1st rate will blow a frigate out of the water long before the frigate has any chance of doing the same, but you have to catch it first, then bring your guns to bear long enough to get a broadside off. Blockade running with a 1st rate is my favorite type of action right now. A frigate engaging a first rater just long enough for a 74 to come help out makes for nail biting decisions. Can the frigate stay engaged long enough for the 74 to show up? Can the frigate inflict enough damage that when the 74 finally gets there, it has a fighting chance? Are you willing to sacrifice the frigate, or stand off out of range until the 74 shows up? Can you safely get your other blockade runners across the game space and out the other side, or do they have to turn back and come to the rescue of the first rater? Putting fresh ships in at different times during the game is more realistic than just pitting one ship against another. If you almost have your opponents ship ready to strike it's colors and you see a new set of sails on the horizon bearing down full sail, it forces you to decide whether to disengage and run, finish off the other ship and turn to meet the new threat, or every type of action in between. I just fought a scenario just like this a couple of days ago and the frigate actually managed to destroy the foremast of the 1st rater. This gave the late arriving 74 a much better chance.

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    While I fully appreciate the many informed comments previously posted regarding the smaller ships, for me size is everything, British 100 gun triple deckers all the way, HMS Victory in the post as we speak, lol
    (better buy some Frenchies as well to keep a balanced set of fleets - damn hadn't thought about that - need pocket money increase....)

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    You can't beat a nippy Frigate in my opinion.
    Bligh.

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    I like 3rd rates, but give the chance I will always take a sloop or frigate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLeif View Post
    Hi,
    Just curious which Rate or class of ships would you most like to play in the forth coming Sails of Glory game?

    1: 1st and or 2nd rates (90 + gun ships, 3 deckers)
    2: 3rd rates (64 to 80 gun ships, 2 deckers)
    3: 4-6th rates (roughly 30 to 60 gun ships, 4th rates were 2 deckers, 5th and 6th rates had 1 deck)
    4: 'Unrated' (includes most naval/privateer vessels with <= 24 guns such as Corvettes, Sloops, Brigs, Xebecs, Schooners, etc)

    Sorry I don't know how make this an actual 'poll' but if you'd just reply that would be fine with me.

    Leif

    I am partial to the big boys............... 1, 2 and third rates.. There is just something about fleet actions that gets my goat. Ships of the line going toe to toe with boarding actions, explosions.............yup love the smell of cordite and british rum in the morning :)

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    Having played numerous games , I still prefer using the larger rates 1-3, not used a 64 yet or the new 50 frigates

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    I'm still a Frigate man at heart Chris, although I'd like to have a go with a Razee to see how it handles.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Maybe we can try out during a game this coming weekend Rob, in prearation for the Other Partizan show on Sunday, Essign Patch and myself intend to be at your home port around 1400 on Saturday. If this still ok with you

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    We look forward to seeing you both on Saturday for sure, or should that read fore shore?
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Being a Portsmouth fan I had to go for first raters like Victory!

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    1st and 2nd rates would be my main ships. I like making big booms! Then have a few smaller ships as support.

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