Photo Etched Brass Ratlines

**Coog** · 11-11-2013, 16:55

I will be getting some. After seeing and playing with the ships at Millenniumcon, I was very pleased with the ships. The plastic between the sails and the mast were barely noticeable. With the ratlines you will have to look hard to notice it.

**GrouperKicker** · 11-13-2013, 08:25

Out of curiosity, how long did it take to have the initial layout defined with the manufacturer? How long from that point until you get a 'proof' version of the product in hand?

**The Royal Hajj** · 11-13-2013, 09:02

The turn around time for the layout was pretty quick. I measured out the dimensions and created the shapes in Adobe Illustrator and then printed them off on paper. The confirmed that my size and shape were correct. I sent that file to the company and they were able to get the two images I posted last to me the next day. They already do ratlines for other ships (different scale), so were able to just adjust those for the scale and shape of our ships.

Since are scale is much smaller, they suggested doing them out of stainless steel as it is stronger and would allow us to have more realistic sized lines. Since they normally produce with brass, they have to order in the SS and setup to do the proof for me. They mentioned about a month to get that done and about the same to do a production run.

So, I expect to that the proof in hand some time in Dec and hope to have them stocked on the AA site around the end of Jan. That should give everyone time to play with their new toys before putting some of them into drydock.

**DeRuyter** · 11-13-2013, 11:20

Originally Posted by The Royal Hajj

The turn around time for the layout was pretty quick. I measured out the dimensions and created the shapes in Adobe Illustrator and then printed them off on paper. The confirmed that my size and shape were correct. I sent that file to the company and they were able to get the two images I posted last to me the next day. They already do ratlines for other ships (different scale), so were able to just adjust those for the scale and shape of our ships.

Since are scale is much smaller, they suggested doing them out of stainless steel as it is stronger and would allow us to have more realistic sized lines. Since they normally produce with brass, they have to order in the SS and setup to do the proof for me. They mentioned about a month to get that done and about the same to do a production run.

So, I expect to that the proof in hand some time in Dec and hope to have them stocked on the AA site around the end of Jan. That should give everyone time to play with their new toys before putting some of them into drydock.

Excellent! Thanks Keith!

**GrouperKicker** · 11-13-2013, 12:25

Originally Posted by The Royal Hajj

The turn around time for the layout was pretty quick. I measured out the dimensions and created the shapes in Adobe Illustrator and then printed them off on paper. The confirmed that my size and shape were correct. I sent that file to the company and they were able to get the two images I posted last to me the next day. They already do ratlines for other ships (different scale), so were able to just adjust those for the scale and shape of our ships.

Since are scale is much smaller, they suggested doing them out of stainless steel as it is stronger and would allow us to have more realistic sized lines. Since they normally produce with brass, they have to order in the SS and setup to do the proof for me. They mentioned about a month to get that done and about the same to do a production run.

So, I expect to that the proof in hand some time in Dec and hope to have them stocked on the AA site around the end of Jan. That should give everyone time to play with their new toys before putting some of them into drydock.

Thanks! This is exactly the info that I was looking for... a little insight into HOW these great little goodies get into our hands! I'm really impressed with the lineup of items that you are releasing in support of SoG!

**The Royal Hajj** · 11-13-2013, 13:29

Originally Posted by GrouperKicker

I'm really impressed with the lineup of items that you are releasing in support of SoG!

Just wait until I have final production stuff in my hands and have had time to "toy" with them ;)

**RichardPF** · 11-19-2013, 10:03

Originally Posted by The Royal Hajj

The turn around time for the layout was pretty quick. I measured out the dimensions and created the shapes in Adobe Illustrator and then printed them off on paper. The confirmed that my size and shape were correct. I sent that file to the company and they were able to get the two images I posted last to me the next day. They already do ratlines for other ships (different scale), so were able to just adjust those for the scale and shape of our ships.

Since are scale is much smaller, they suggested doing them out of stainless steel as it is stronger and would allow us to have more realistic sized lines. Since they normally produce with brass, they have to order in the SS and setup to do the proof for me. They mentioned about a month to get that done and about the same to do a production run.

So, I expect to that the proof in hand some time in Dec and hope to have them stocked on the AA site around the end of Jan. That should give everyone time to play with their new toys before putting some of them into drydock.

Were you going to post these on the AA site for preorders once the server changeover is finished?

**The Royal Hajj** · 11-19-2013, 10:20

Originally Posted by RichardPF

Were you going to post these on the AA site for preorders once the server changeover is finished?

I want to have the sample version in hand before putting them up for pre-order.

**Beowulf03809** · 11-14-2013, 10:07

Great details as always! Thanks!!!

**Pirate Queen** · 11-18-2013, 22:33

I'll have to buy at least a dozen... better set aside $100.

**The Royal Hajj** · 11-24-2013, 08:07

I can't really give a good guess at this point. Jan maybe?

**nilliom** · 11-24-2013, 11:12

Would these fit on all ships, or only the starter box set?

**The Royal Hajj** · 11-25-2013, 06:51

The Starter Box ships and the Ship Packs in Wave 1 (everything coming out in the next several weeks) area all the same four sculpts. I'm making a set of ratlines for each of those for sculpts. When Wave 2 comes out later in 2014, I'll be making sets for those ships as well... provided sales are good enough to justify it. Does that help?

**nilliom** · 11-26-2013, 13:21

Originally Posted by The Royal Hajj

The Starter Box ships and the Ship Packs in Wave 1 (everything coming out in the next several weeks) area all the same four sculpts. I'm making a set of ratlines for each of those for sculpts. When Wave 2 comes out later in 2014, I'll be making sets for those ships as well... provided sales are good enough to justify it. Does that help?

Yes, thanks

**7eat51** · 11-25-2013, 08:46

I hope with the price point you're considering, Keith, that sales are highly successful. It seems to be an inexpensive way to greatly enhance the ships. Thank you for your effort on this.

**Capn Duff** · 11-27-2013, 05:37

Well I got a Capn pack coming plus a couple of extra ships, so I expect to put in an order in the new year, plus after some smoke markers

**Diamondback** · 11-27-2013, 13:35

Uh, Boss, I'm interested in enough to upgrade my entire fleet... the problem is, the orders are going to have to trickle out, probably one sculpt's worth or one block of "one of each sculpt" at a time. Ditto extra Smoke Clouds.

WGF, WGS, new laptop, ammunition to maintain proficiency... between all that and an expected reduction of billable hours to pay for it all with, 2014 is going to Bring the Pain and Bring it Hard. :(

**Pirate Queen** · 11-27-2013, 19:29

Suggestion - sell a "Lieutenant's pack" and a "Captain's pack" with all ratlines needed for... every ship in a Lt or Cpt pack. Plus individuals of course.
Then there's the Victory and Constitution.

**7eat51** · 11-27-2013, 20:50

Originally Posted by Pirate Queen

Suggestion - sell a "Lieutenant's pack" and a "Captain's pack" with all ratlines needed for...

That is an excellent idea. It would make it quite easy to order.

**Gunner** · 11-29-2013, 06:33

Originally Posted by Pirate Queen

Suggestion - sell a "Lieutenant's pack" and a "Captain's pack" with all ratlines needed for... every ship in a Lt or Cpt pack. Plus individuals of course.
Then there's the Victory and Constitution.

Good thinking, I'll take a Captains pack. (for starters)

**Pseudotheist** · 01-10-2014, 19:02

Originally Posted by Pirate Queen

Suggestion - sell a "Lieutenant's pack" and a "Captain's pack" with all ratlines needed for... every ship in a Lt or Cpt pack. Plus individuals of course.
Then there's the Victory and Constitution.

I'm sure packs would be popular, but I think "Mate" (1 of each) and "Captain" levels would be the more appropriate bundles.

**SeaRoyal20** · 12-11-2013, 15:06

I would want to buy a bunch of these as well!

**Shoot@Me** · 12-20-2013, 15:57

Can't see since the pictures were lost, but the idea sounds great! Just a marine pledge level and buying the starter pack from my local game shop, but I would consider getting a set for all eight ships...

**GrouperKicker** · 01-10-2014, 15:49

Keith:
Any chance that you could repost the picture of the sample ratlines?

**Capn Duff** · 01-11-2014, 10:52

So is this a go ?

**The Royal Hajj** · 01-11-2014, 15:19

I've replaced the images in the earlier posts as best I could (I don't have some of them), luckily the important ones I was able to restore. I also got some photos of the test pieces that they ran and are sending me.

This is a stainless steel fret:

We are also testing in brass as well:

I hope to have these test ratlines here in the next week or so. As long as the fitment is good, I'll give the go ahead for production runs to start. We are getting closer!

**Andy Blozinski** · 01-11-2014, 21:48

Originally Posted by The Royal Hajj

I've replaced the images in the earlier posts as best I could (I don't have some of them), luckily the important ones I was able to restore. I also got some photos of the test pieces that they ran and are sending me.

This is a stainless steel fret:

So like is the white section of what we see in the photo a holder for the ratlines?

We are also testing in brass as well:

I hope to have these test ratlines here in the next week or so. As long as the fitment is good, I'll give the go ahead for production runs to start. We are getting closer!

**The Mad Hatter** · 01-11-2014, 16:30

Any idea how many are going to be in the first production run? I recall you said lead times weren't short on these, so curious how many I should be planning to order from the get go?

**GrouperKicker** · 01-11-2014, 20:31

Thanks Keith!

**The Royal Hajj** · 01-11-2014, 22:10

The grey and gold you see in those photos are the actual metal ratlines. The white is the background they were shot on.

I don't know yet on production numbers. I don't foresee a need to "Stock" up on them though.

**Pirate Queen** · 01-13-2014, 21:15

May I pre-order enough for 2 Captain's packs and a Lieutenant pack? Possibly to be included with my pending order of WGF?

**The Royal Hajj** · 01-14-2014, 04:52

Hi Zoe, I'm not quite ready to put them on pre-order yet.

**AlyssaFaden** · 01-16-2014, 09:27

I'd easily drop $10 per ship for these. The time saved at my end to have properly sized ratlines that I could quickly paint/drop into place would be worth every dime. I bought into the Captain level and I'll be doubling my fleets within the next month. You can consider me a customer right from the get go for every ship I have =D

**Gunner** · 01-16-2014, 10:35

Originally Posted by AlyssaFaden

I'd easily drop $10 per ship for these. The time saved at my end to have properly sized ratlines that I could quickly paint/drop into place would be worth every dime. I bought into the Captain level and I'll be doubling my fleets within the next month. You can consider me a customer right from the get go for every ship I have =D

$10 per ship would be too steep for me.

**The Royal Hajj** · 01-16-2014, 13:02

Originally Posted by Gunner

$10 per ship would be too steep for me.

Luckily it looks like we will almost be able to do three ships for that price!

**Gunner** · 01-16-2014, 13:44

Originally Posted by The Royal Hajj

Luckily it looks like we will almost be able to do three ships for that price!

Great. I'll place orders as soon as you're ready.

**BH62** · 01-17-2014, 05:44

Hi,
I am new on this site. i'll be interested to place order. Have you a term ?
BH62

**The Royal Hajj** · 01-16-2014, 09:45

Thanks Alyssa. I should have the test ratlines by the end of the month for everyone to see, well, second hand!

**Gunner** · 01-17-2014, 10:16

What takes paint better, brass or stainless? I would think, brass.

**The Royal Hajj** · 01-17-2014, 10:34

Originally Posted by Gunner

What takes paint better, brass or stainless? I would think, brass.

I'll pull up my notes from the manufacture on that and post back. One does not need to be primed and the other does (I think). One could also be "painted" with a sharpie type marker for the thinnest finish.

**horrido** · 01-17-2014, 15:34

Originally Posted by Gunner

What takes paint better, brass or stainless? I would think, brass.

I've had no problems painting stainless PE when I use it on plastic display models, although I usually use enamels. On these rat lines, I will probably break the surface with steel wool, and add a couple matte clear coats afterwards. I use an airbrush - probably just paint them before cutting them out. Stainless is much stronger, but must be annealed (with a bic lighter) before you can bend it - no bending required here, of course.

**Пилот** · 01-25-2014, 09:08

I am interested, too. Will give more realistic look to the ships.

**BRIAN DUNBAR** · 01-25-2014, 10:33

Count me in. I've got one of each ship so I'll take 4 of each.

**Elrohir** · 01-26-2014, 15:18

Definitely count me in for a dozen ships' worth...great work!

**Andy Blozinski** · 01-26-2014, 21:40

For demo game purposes, I want to have ships in various stages of pimping, ranging from factory stock to tricked out with painting enhancements, ratlines and maybe even rigging. I figure it will be a cool way to show the players what they are purchasing and then also show them what fun they can have customizing.

**Nightmoss** · 01-27-2014, 09:34

Keith, with Ares announcement concerning Wave 2 ships will they provide you with production models soon enough so you can start planning the custom ratlines for all these new sculpts? The 1st rates look like they'll be quite large on the bases.

**The Royal Hajj** · 01-27-2014, 09:36

I'm trying to get production samples ahead of time, but they only get one or two of each sculpt. So often times there is not any spares to send my way :(