Oh, the Russian fleets were not trivial at all! Did they ever come into conflict with the other major powers?
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Oh, the Russian fleets were not trivial at all! Did they ever come into conflict with the other major powers?
The battle of Svensksund was one of the most numerous naval battle of all time, several times the number of vessels compared to Trafalgar. More than 500 vessels. But then you are counting all the vessels down to kanonslup too. The Swedes found out that in archipelagos basically a rowboat with a gun was very efficient. The Russians captured or copied the different concepts the Swedes used.
And by the way... some British ships did support the Swedish navy in the Baltic sea.
Don't forget one of Hornblowers more unusual (fictional) campaigns was set in the Baltic ("The Commodore"). One of my favourites
Even Jack Aubrey makes a trip there in his Surprise. Diana Villiers lived in Stockholm for a while. The Letter of Marque I believe.
I have always wanted to read the jack Aubrey novels. One day perhaps I'll have time!
There's always the option of audiobooks. They're read excellently by Ric Jerrom. Make sure you get unabridged.
I keep on meaning having another go at Jack Aubrey and see if I can get on with it now that I'm older. It did not work for me in my younger days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hjl
Rob.
Thanks Rob for the information! :beer:
Exactly Jonas, although they were ships with a low draft, it had to be a show that battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexaS
Same happened with me, couldn't get my head around them when I was younger, love them nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Bligh
A member of The Miniatures Page just posted this link. May be of interest to those looking at the Russian fleet in the Black Sea? Very pricey, but University Press books often are.
https://global.oup.com/academic/prod...cc=ar&lang=en&
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Nice looking book Jim, but as you say pricey.
You could get a lot of ships for that.
Even so if Ares had some Russian ships out I might be tempted.
Rob.
Right Dave.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Manley
On that recommendation and because I can get them cheap on Kindle, I'll give them another go.
Rob.
Redcoat: I visited the Maritime Museum in Stockholm, this summer. Perhaps some photos of their models could be of help?
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Thank you Jonas, nice models. I'm surprised to see the amount of pivot guns in the center of the boats :shock: The Swedes did know how to optimize space on their boats! :happy:
Very interesting pictures Jonas insofar as I'm just about to post on Bomb Ketches.
Rob.
Thank you for the reputation Rob.
There are more pictures but I should perhaps organize them a little before I just post whatever...
That is if it would be helpful.
Oh yes! Please do add more pictures.
Rob.
Thanks Jonas.
Some more very nice looking models there.
I do appreciate your trouble to post these.
I hope you don't mind, but I turned the two on their sides the correct way up for you.
Thanks.
Rob.
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Frigate class Bellona
Ten ships were launched 1782-85
Scale: 1:16
Ship designed by Fredrik Henrik af Chapman
The model was probably built under his review.
The model shows the vessel from the waterline.
Length: 46.3 m, width 11.9 m, draught 5.2 m
I do not mind the least. Thank you very much for that. I would have done it myself but I thought I should post all the photos first to know how they turned out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bligh
Well I think that they are some of the finest pictures of model warships under glass that I have seen.
You usually get an inordinate amount of reflection, even taking shots at an angle and with filters on to cut out flash and glare.
Rob.
Thank you for the kind words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bligh
There were a lot of pictures I have discarded and there still are a few with more reflections than I would like.
The lighting is also kept low, lessening that problem but making the pictures a little blurry and dark.
There is really only one reply I can make to all these photos Jonas.
Rep.
Rob.
Thank you Rob. :hatsoff: I aim to please. :happy: :pistole:
:salute: I hope we did please! Cast an eye over your medals.:medal: The round is on you!:drinks:Quote:
Originally Posted by TexaS
Congratulations.:hatsoff:
Bligh.
A Fleet that would make my namesake, ADM. J. P. Jones, extremely proud to command!! :salute:
I see they spilled over to the next row.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bligh
I am much obliged to you, good sir!
Not at all sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by TexaS
The reputation was earned totally by your own unstinting effort and superb abilities, testified to by your shipmates in this tangible manner.
It is we who are grateful to you Commander.
Bligh.:hatsoff:
Stop it. You're making me post even more.
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Now that is a really interesting looking gun boat. Must get one of those for landings.
Rob.
Sweden used them fighting larger ships in archepelagos. They were hard to hit and had a gun heavy enough (24 lb) to fight ships of the line. Being of shallow draught they could be used in ambushes and in larger engagements they could be raking the enemy while they fought other ships.
Just the sort of thing I could do with in the Far East for my HEIC battles. Flush out the Pirate Junks with that and then finish the off with the Nottingham.
Rob.
I think Langton make most of these.
I will include a couple when I make my next order then Jonas.
Rob.
The Swedes had the benefit of one of the leading innovative naval architects of the day in Frederik af Chapman. He is something of a hero in my profession.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexaS
We know it.
Not only was he innovative, but also very productive.
We still have a ship in Stockholm called af Chapman and if you as I did when about 10 love tall ships you wonder why it's called that.